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Hi all, first post here but have been readin through the Armed Forces section for quite a while now. Only trouble is I've managed to confuse myself with all the information.
Can any one confirm that I've understood everything I need to know.

1. P2 Presentation - a chance to check documentation and give us an insight into what RAF life is like. A general knowledge of UK bases and aircraft is ideal.

2. Aptitude tests - Maths and English tests to make sure you are at the minimum requirements for your chosen trade.

3. Filter interview - One on one interview at an AFC office asking about your home life, education, hobbies, motivation to join, understanding of what training to expect. (Is the NATO,current deployments and overseas bases knowledge needed for these interviews?)

4. Medical - self explanatory

5. Fitness - 1.5 mile treadmill run and situps/pressups in a minute

6. Trade interview - interview with two interviewers going into more detail about things covered in the filter (anything else asked pressing that I need to know?)

7 - BRT - RAF Halton in Aylesbury for 10 weeks

8 - Leadership Training - RAF College Cranwell in Lincolnshire for 10 weeks

9 - Trade Training - RAF Shrewbury in Shrewsbury for 28 weeks

10 - Further Training - Posted to NATS Swanwick (is Prestwick closed now?) for a year working en-route then deployed as required

I think this covers everything but just want to make sure I haven't confused myself that's all.

Thanks for all the info on this site, its all really helpful. Got a feeling I'm going to spend a lot of time on here
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2. Aptitude tests - Maths and English tests to make sure you are at the minimum requirements for your chosen trade.
Bit more to it than just Maths and English tests. Quite a lot more.
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Sorry realised after I had forgotten the spatial reasoning and mechanical and memory stuff too.
But I am aware of it. What's the best way to practice that stuff? I've done the practice stuff off the RAF careers website, just wondering if there's anywhere else I can brush up on it seeing as I've not done any sort of test like that for quite a few years.

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9 - Trade Training - RAF Shrewbury in Shrewsbury for 28 weeks
I live in Shrewsbury and can 100% confirm there is no RAF base here. I'm assuming you mean RAF Shawbury, Shropshire. It really is worth knowing this stuff inside out as if you had said RAF Shrewsbury at any formal interview you would have been laughed at.
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Hiya Ryan, apologies yes I meant RAF Shawbury, it's just up the road from Shrewsbury and I read somewhere where someone had obviously written it was in Shrewsbury itself.
Trying to cram everything in is why I'm muddling things up.
I guess even that mistake has made this thread worth it for me haha.
Cheers for the input buddy, much appreciated.
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(Original post by jay--pee)
Hi all, first post here but have been readin through the Armed Forces section for quite a while now. Only trouble is I've managed to confuse myself with all the information.
Can any one confirm that I've understood everything I need to know.

1. P2 Presentation - a chance to check documentation and give us an insight into what RAF life is like. A general knowledge of UK bases and aircraft is ideal.

2. Aptitude tests - Maths and English tests to make sure you are at the minimum requirements for your chosen trade.

3. Filter interview - One on one interview at an AFC office asking about your home life, education, hobbies, motivation to join, understanding of what training to expect. (Is the NATO,current deployments and overseas bases knowledge needed for these interviews?)

4. Medical - self explanatory

5. Fitness - 1.5 mile treadmill run and situps/pressups in a minute

6. Trade interview - interview with two interviewers going into more detail about things covered in the filter (anything else asked pressing that I need to know?)

7 - BRT - RAF Halton in Aylesbury for 10 weeks

8 - Leadership Training - RAF College Cranwell in Lincolnshire for 10 weeks

9 - Trade Training - RAF Shrewbury in Shrewsbury for 28 weeks

10 - Further Training - Posted to NATS Swanwick (is Prestwick closed now?) for a year working en-route then deployed as required

I think this covers everything but just want to make sure I haven't confused myself that's all.

Thanks for all the info on this site, its all really helpful. Got a feeling I'm going to spend a lot of time on here
Hi Jay,

I'm not sure if they have changed the application process but the process I went through was as follows;
- P2 Presentation (AFCO)
- Aptitude Tests (AFCO)
- Filter Interview (AFCO)
- OASC CBAT Part 1 (Cranwell)
- OASC Part 2 (Cranwell)
- Final Interview (AFCO)

BRTC is 69 days at RAF Halton.
NCAITC is 10 weeks at RAF Cranwell.
JATCC is around 9 months now at RAF Shawbury.

Prestwick is closed. If your first posting is Swannick you'll do the area radar control course straight out of JATCC.

OASC wasn't mentioned in your post, as fast track SNCO you follow the same selection route as Non-Commissioned Aircrew so ensure you read:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/applic...rew/selection/

Have you applied?

Chris
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Hi Jay,

I'm not sure if they have changed the application process but the process I went through was as follows;
- P2 Presentation (AFCO)
- Aptitude Tests (AFCO)
- Filter Interview (AFCO)
- OASC CBAT Part 1 (Cranwell)
- OASC Part 2 (Cranwell)
- Final Interview (AFCO)

BRTC is 69 days at RAF Halton.
NCAITC is 10 weeks at RAF Cranwell.
JATCC is around 9 months now at RAF Shawbury.

Prestwick is closed. If your first posting is Swannick you'll do the area radar control course straight out of JATCC.

OASC wasn't mentioned in your post, as fast track SNCO you follow the same selection route as Non-Commissioned Aircrew so ensure you read:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/applic...rew/selection/

Have you applied?

Chris

Hi Chris,

How long ago did you go through the process? And was it for ATC too?

This is the guide I have been using.....
http://raf.broadsystem.com/pdf/RafAstBooklet.pdf
But then when you read other sources the format is different, which is why I posted on here so people who have actually done it recently can help out.

I have read that the Aptitude Tests are all done at Cranwell now as opposed to an AFCO?

Also with the OASC is part one the interview and the part two the additional practical assessments and MSFT?

And yes I have applied, got the P2 on 20th Feb and hopefully the aptitude tests not long after.

Thanks for your help mate
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http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=2507300

And this thread confused me as it was only started 3 months ago but seems totally wrong?
It says filter interview is before aptitude testing, which I understand is the other way around.
And also you have to do two medicals and two fitness tests, one of each with AFCO (or an appointed gym locally) and then both again at OASC.

So based on what Chris said and what the other thread says I think I've figured out that it goes....

1. - P2 Presentation (AFCO)
2. - Aptitude Tests covering the competencies (RAF Cranwell)
3. - Filter Interview (One on One Interview with AFCO)
4. - Medical (Civilian Doctor)
5. - PJFT (Civilian Examiner)
6. - OASC - covering additional practical assessments including further medical and MSFT as well as specialism interview (RAF Cranwell)
7. - Final Interview/Provisional Offer of Employment (AFCO)


No doubt I've still managed to get it wrong somewhere.
I'm going to ring the AFCO for confirmation tomorrow. Once I've got the whole process laid out I can prioritise my revision and learning so I'm not trying to cram everything in in one go.
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Tina is an accurate source of information and the process has changed since I went through.

1. Document Check (AFCO)
2. P2 Presentation (AFCO)
3. Aptitude Tests - Paper based (AFCO)
4. Filter Interview (AFCO)
5. Medical (Civvi/Capita)
6. Fitness Test (1.5 Mile Civvi)
7. CBAT (OASC Computer Based Aptitude Tests)
8. OASC (Exercise Phase, Medical, Interview, Fitness Test)
9. Final 308 Interview (AFCO)

Having read Tina's post and going from my selection I would assume this is now the process for SNCO ATC. If you copy it down and pop into your AFCO they will be happy to confirm this and advise what you need to prepare for at each stage.

The confusion with the aptitude testing is because there are two lots. One is the generic paper tests carried about by all applicants at the AFCO. The other is specific to high aptitude based trades such as (ATC/ABM/Pilot etc) and this takes place at Cranwell after you have passed the AFCO stages.

Chris
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Tina is an accurate source of information and the process has changed since I went through.

1. Document Check (AFCO)
2. P2 Presentation (AFCO)
3. Aptitude Tests - Paper based (AFCO)
4. Filter Interview (AFCO)
5. Medical (Civvi/Capita)
6. Fitness Test (1.5 Mile Civvi)
7. CBAT (OASC Computer Based Aptitude Tests)
8. OASC (Exercise Phase, Medical, Interview, Fitness Test)
9. Final 308 Interview (AFCO)

Having read Tina's post and going from my selection I would assume this is now the process for SNCO ATC. If you copy it down and pop into your AFCO they will be happy to confirm this and advise what you need to prepare for at each stage.

The confusion with the aptitude testing is because there are two lots. One is the generic paper tests carried about by all applicants at the AFCO. The other is specific to high aptitude based trades such as (ATC/ABM/Pilot etc) and this takes place at Cranwell after you have passed the AFCO stages.

Chris
That's brilliant, thanks Chris.
The document check is done at the P2 (at least I figured that much out haha) so I'll ask at the AFCO on the 20th and confirm it.

I'm guessing once they've spent all that money training you, and obviously the aptitude tests and interviews are designed to filter out unsuitable candidates, the % is pretty low, but what are the chances of failing the training? I know anything can happen (i.e injuries etc) but are they pretty strict with 'fail a section and you're out' or do they support you and make sure you make it through?
I know at Halton you get re-flighted if you need extra support, but is it the same at Cranwell and Shawbury? I'm just a bit worried that I'm giving up a £29k a year job to do something that I will get some job satisfaction from only to fail the training and end up unemployed
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In general they support you and make sure you get through it. The training is not designed to fail you, if you have shown you have the potential for the role at OASC they will do everything they can to get you through.

At Halton as you said you get re-flighted usually 2 weeks and extra training. You get multiple attempts at everything before re-flight anyway. At Cranwell its different, you will do the entire course and be told at the end whether you pass or fail. If you fail you will be given a remedial package at Cranwell until the next course runs. I'm not entirely sure what happens if you then fail again as I've not heard of it happening. JATCC at Shawbury has been lengthened due to the high failure rate (most people struggling to comprehend so much information is such a small space of time).

If you do get as far as Shawbury and fail repeatedly at trade training there could be an opportunity to re-trade rather than just being kicked out as you've shown you are valuable to the RAF by getting through OASC and NCAITC. However none of this is set in stone and is mainly my opinion from my experience thus far, but if this is something you are really motivated to do and you pass the tough selection process I wouldn't have any worry about being kicked out.
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I've certainly got the determination to do it, but I'm not 18 and still living with parents and therefore have no responsibilities (i know that's a generalisation and I don't mean for it to sound demeaning but hopefully you know what I mean).
I just need to think more long term and what the possible outcomes are if anything goes wrong that's all.

You've been pretty reassuring though mate, I'm grateful.
I've got nothing to lose from going through the application process, who knows I could fail it and my concerns are irrelevant haha.
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Hey,

I am currently going through the process for ATC SNCO and there has been no mention of a paper based apptitude test. I did the P2 presentation and then they contacted me to do the CBAT at Cranwell- So im now confused as to the process. The person who did my presentation didnt mention SNCO's selection process... So i just assumed it was the same as the officers... evidently not. Anyone who has any information regaurding this would be apreciated.
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Hey,

I am currently going through the process for ATC SNCO and there has been no mention of a paper based apptitude test. I did the P2 presentation and then they contacted me to do the CBAT at Cranwell- So im now confused as to the process. The person who did my presentation didnt mention SNCO's selection process... So i just assumed it was the same as the officers... evidently not. Anyone who has any information regaurding this would be apreciated.
Hi Swalley,
Sorry I didn't update this thread after I did my P2.
Yes the new process has eliminated the paper based aptitude tests. So it goes like this now...

CBATs (Cranwell)
Filter Interview (AFCO)
Medical (Capita)
OASC (practical assessments 1 day)
OASC (medical, fitness and interview)
PRTC (Halton)
308 interview (AFCO)

They only went through the SNCO process for me, no one else in my P2 was going for it. There were about 18 going for Pilot and they were told there are only about 20 vacancies in the entire RAF and theyve had about 5000 applicants lol.

When did you do your P2, and when is your date for CBATs?
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Tina is an accurate source of information and the process has changed since I went through.

1. Document Check (AFCO)
2. P2 Presentation (AFCO)
3. Aptitude Tests - Paper based (AFCO)
4. Filter Interview (AFCO)
5. Medical (Civvi/Capita)
6. Fitness Test (1.5 Mile Civvi)
7. CBAT (OASC Computer Based Aptitude Tests)
8. OASC (Exercise Phase, Medical, Interview, Fitness Test)
9. Final 308 Interview (AFCO)

Having read Tina's post and going from my selection I would assume this is now the process for SNCO ATC. If you copy it down and pop into your AFCO they will be happy to confirm this and advise what you need to prepare for at each stage.

The confusion with the aptitude testing is because there are two lots. One is the generic paper tests carried about by all applicants at the AFCO. The other is specific to high aptitude based trades such as (ATC/ABM/Pilot etc) and this takes place at Cranwell after you have passed the AFCO stages.

Chris
I just saw this Chris, thank you for the kudos!

To the OP, I'm sorry for any confusion, when processes change it's difficult to be 100% correct for all branches but I try to be clear and cover it all.

I knew the aptitude and filter had swapped around for pilot but I guess this is now the case for everyone applying for an aptitude branch?


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Hi Swalley,
Sorry I didn't update this thread after I did my P2.
Yes the new process has eliminated the paper based aptitude tests. So it goes like this now...

CBATs (Cranwell)
Filter Interview (AFCO)
Medical (Capita)
OASC (practical assessments 1 day)
OASC (medical, fitness and interview)
PRTC (Halton)
308 interview (AFCO)

They only went through the SNCO process for me, no one else in my P2 was going for it. There were about 18 going for Pilot and they were told there are only about 20 vacancies in the entire RAF and theyve had about 5000 applicants lol.

When did you do your P2, and when is your date for CBATs?
They need 75 pilots in the next financial year I believe, not loads but a healthy number.

Could you please paste your SNCO update into my 3 month old OASC post that you linked above for anyone else who may be looking and get confused. It's always useful to have better info than my vague all-rounded posts.


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Hey sorry didn't reply sooner and my phone is playing up a wee bit but my CBAT's are on the 25th March when's urs or have already been and thanks for the reply u confirmed my thoughts...

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Don't know if anyone checks this still but any pointers for if I get through to interviews and what not?

I've just applied for this role the other night!
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Don't know if anyone checks this still but any pointers for if I get through to interviews and what not?

I've just applied for this role the other night!
Same pointers as for all the [many many] other threads relating to RAF interviews, they follow the same format.
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I live in Shrewsbury and can 100% confirm there is no RAF base here. I'm assuming you mean RAF Shawbury, Shropshire. It really is worth knowing this stuff inside out as if you had said RAF Shrewsbury at any formal interview you would have been laughed at.
I live in Shrewsbury too! Where abouts are you from?
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