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Reply 2
Thanks for the link notyourpunk, I appreciate it. But I was wondering if this is an actual ‘active’ regulation: in other words is there anyone out there that has actual done this, any time lately. I’d love to hear from you. Is it possible to go ahead with this or is it an outdated, unused piece of regulation in the university statute….

Any ideas…?
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Reply 3
ChinaSea
Thanks for the link notyourpunk, I appreciate it. But I was wondering if this is an actual ‘active’ regulation: in other words is there anyone out there that has actual done this, any time lately. I’d love to hear from you. Is it possible to go ahead with this or is it an outdated, unused piece of regulation in the university statute….

Any ideas…?
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No this is active. Used when Cambridge/TCD graduates take up an academic/research post at Oxford and want to have the privileges of being an MA.
OldMan
No this is active. Used when Cambridge/TCD graduates take up an academic/research post at Oxford and want to have the privileges of being an MA.


It's more often used for taking up a postgraduate place, eg a DPhil, for Cambridge/TCD graduates - permanent academic posts are usually admitted to the degree of MA regardless of their background, i.e. they become MA rather than incorporate. Hysterical raisins and all that.

The only real difference is that they don't have to matriculate, and they wear the BA gown, but in practise most events (excluding vivas/encaenia and a couple of other things) at Oxford now let you wear academic dress of other universities so it's not an especially useful distinction.
Reply 5
fredsmith365
It's more often used for taking up a postgraduate place, eg a DPhil.


Hey fredsmith365,
Can you explain this? If I have a BA and a post grad from Trinity, and I’m accepted on a post grad course in either of the other two, I can have my degrees from Trinity incorporated at that university.
ChinaSea
Hey fredsmith365,
Can you explain this? If I have a BA and a post grad from Trinity, and I’m accepted on a post grad course in either of the other two, I can have my degrees from Trinity incorporated at that university.


You can incorporate your current highest Trinity degree at Oxford, if you take up a place at Oxford for whatever reason (statute 1.9 of the linked page), subject to approval etc (but that's automatic usually). Can't find the Cambridge regulations easily to hand, but I'd imagine they're fairly similar.

It's only really an internal status thing though, it'd be technically correct but in practice cause you problems if you then tried to describe yourself on your CV as being MA(Oxon) (eg). It's really just a historical hangover.
Reply 7
fredsmith365
You can incorporate your current highest Trinity degree at Oxford, if you take up a place at Oxford for whatever reason.


Yeah, I’ve heard that if you take a lecturing job in a university for 3 years or more, you can incorporate then. But is that also the case if you accept a place on a course at either Oxbridge uni….

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Reply 8
Just out of interest why are you so keen to find out?
ChinaSea
Yeah, I’ve heard that if you take a lecturing job in a university for 3 years or more, you can incorporate then. But is that also the case if you accept a place on a course at either Oxbridge uni….

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Usually, yes - you often see a list of students who have incorporated after the list of new PRSes or such in college almanacs, etc. Any particular reason?
Reply 10
Especially as you've done this exact thread before...
Reply 11
notyourpunk
Especially as you've done this exact thread before...

...just over a year ago
Reply 12
notyourpunk
Especially as you've done this exact thread before...


Just thought it was an interesting ‘historical hangover’ (as fredsmith365 refers to it as) amongst the three uni’s…
Didn’t get all I was looking for the last time i.e. someone who had actually done it…


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Reply 13
this may be me being dumb but...what is a degree "by incorporation"?
xedx
this may be me being dumb but...what is a degree "by incorporation"?


It's a process of transferring internal status between the three (non-Scottish) Ancients (Oxford, Cambridge and Dublin), whereby someone is admitted to the equivalent degree in their new university when they transfer, so they can continue to exercise the priveleges of their degree if they move. To understand it, you need to think in terms of what a degree actually is (an internal status within a university based upon one's level of learning) rather than what most people nowadays think they are (a bit of paper to go and get a job with, it increasingly seems).

It's largely a historical hangover now because in practice all universities recognise each other's admission to degrees anyway, whereas in the past they usually wouldn't and incorporation was the only way to get those priveleges in another university.
Reply 15
fredsmith365
It's a process of transferring internal status between the three (non-Scottish) Ancients (Oxford, Cambridge and Dublin), whereby someone is admitted to the equivalent degree in their new university when they transfer, so they can continue to exercise the priveleges of their degree if they move. To understand it, you need to think in terms of what a degree actually is (an internal status within a university based upon one's level of learning) rather than what most people nowadays think they are (a bit of paper to go and get a job with, it increasingly seems).

It's largely a historical hangover now because in practice all universities recognise each other's admission to degrees anyway, whereas in the past they usually wouldn't and incorporation was the only way to get those priveleges in another university.


Interesting.... Cheers!

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