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Some time ago I saw horrible photos of Polish kids' bodies made during Volynia massacre by Bandera's squads in 1944. Now I watch bandits admiring Bandera standing in the central square in Kiev and asserting that they are for democracy and EU integration. Meanwhile nothing changed. Once again those fascist *******s hide behind kids like behind human shield. I happened to be there two weeks ago checking my falling business and met fighters from the White Hammer (Bely Molot) organization. More than half of their striking force is under 18 yrs old. All of them constantly parrot about 'Ukraine without moscovites and judes (zhydy)' and go forward willingly throwing Molotov cocktails into local SWAT. Some of those children are 13-14 yrs. In fact they are the main cannon fodder and hostages of EuroMaidan. They got their basic warrior training tracking down and assaulting Jews in surrounding streets. So their mentality is already ruined. They confuse right and wrong. Some of them even name Hitler their hero. And they can't explain why for it became dogma for them.
This is what most of Europeans consider to be democratic movement of Ukrainian opposition! They deform their own children making of them ultranationalist zombies. They propagandize openly Fascist and anti-Semite ideas. They try to pull down legal Ukrainian Government and unleash civil war in their native country. Europe must keep aloof from such outrage as far as possible.
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It sounds like neither the Russians nor Ukrainians would make good governors of Ukraine. How about a British Governor-General?
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Some time ago I saw horrible photos of Polish kids' bodies made during Volynia massacre by Bandera's squads in 1944. Now I watch bandits admiring Bandera standing in the central square in Kiev and asserting that they are for democracy and EU integration. Meanwhile nothing changed. Once again those fascist *******s hide behind kids like behind human shield. I happened to be there two weeks ago checking my falling business and met fighters from the White Hammer (Bely Molot) organization. More than half of their striking force is under 18 yrs old. All of them constantly parrot about 'Ukraine without moscovites and judes (zhydy)' and go forward willingly throwing Molotov cocktails into local SWAT. Some of those children are 13-14 yrs. In fact they are the main cannon fodder and hostages of EuroMaidan. They got their basic warrior training tracking down and assaulting Jews in surrounding streets. So their mentality is already ruined. They confuse right and wrong. Some of them even name Hitler their hero. And they can't explain why for it became dogma for them.
This is what most of Europeans consider to be democratic movement of Ukrainian opposition! They deform their own children making of them ultranationalist zombies. They propagandize openly Fascist and anti-Semite ideas. They try to pull down legal Ukrainian Government and unleash civil war in their native country. Europe must keep aloof from such outrage as far as possible.
Did you see the horrible photos of German occupants, killing millions of Ukrainians? And Russian occupants, killing and starving to death millions of Ukrainians? With the help of Russian NKVD, which was 84 per cent Jewish? Europe must keep aloof from such people and such outrages.
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It sounds like neither the Russians nor Ukrainians would make good governors of Ukraine. How about a British Governor-General?
Brits tried it already, occupying Ukraine briefly in 1919, trying to depose a lawfully elected local government. Killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. With the help of Frederick Poole and Sir Charles James Briggs. Trying to create a little cosy colony for themselves in Europe, since you were failing miserably in India.
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Brits tried it already, occupying Ukraine briefly in 1919, trying to depose a lawfully elected local government. Killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. With the help of Frederick Poole and Sir Charles James Briggs. Trying to create a little cosy colony for themselves in Europe, since you were failing miserably in India.
Britain deployed troops in Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok. This is the first I've ever heard of troops being deployed to Ukraine. It did send a large amount of surplus equipment left over from the First World War, which was used to fight the Leninists. God alone can judge whether the Whites would have ended up murdering more than the Reds, but they murdered enough themselves. You can keep your crocodile tears.
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Britain deployed troops in Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok. This is the first I've ever heard of troops being deployed to Ukraine. It did send a large amount of surplus equipment left over from the First World War, which was used to fight the Leninists. God alone can judge whether the Whites would have ended up murdering more than the Reds, but they murdered enough themselves. You can keep your crocodile tears.
Oh, yes, they did. First, Triple Entente collected some dosh among themselves and sent hired troops to Ukraine, to destabilized the government. As Ukraine was attacked by practically every country possible, it did destabilized the government. So, then French and Brits divided the "spheres of influence", cutting Ukraine like some very tasty pie, where Brits received "Cossack lands". So, they sent their ships to Black sea. It's amazing to see that you know British history so badly. And, all the poor civilians you brutally killed and bombarded there, they are just some "crocodile tears" for you? Because, let me guess, you are so much better and superior than them. It's called racism. And your little military "escapade" - a genocide against Ukrainian nation.
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Oh, yes, they did. First, Triple Entente collected some dosh among themselves and sent hired troops to Ukraine, to destabilized the government. As Ukraine was attacked by practically every country possible, it did destabilized the government. So, then French and Brits divided the "spheres of influence", cutting Ukraine like some very tasty pie, where Brits received "Cossack lands". So, they sent their ships to Black sea. It's amazing to see that you know British history so badly. And, all the poor civilians you brutally killed and bombarded there, they are just some "crocodile tears" for you? Because, let me guess, you are so much better and superior than them. It's called racism. And your little military "escapade" - a genocide against Ukrainian nation.
So what perfect country are you from then?
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So what perfect country are you from then?
Why are you asking for personal info on-line?
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Why are you asking for personal info on-line?
It is hardly personal.
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Oh, yes, they did. First, Triple Entente collected some dosh among themselves and sent hired troops to Ukraine, to destabilized the government. As Ukraine was attacked by practically every country possible, it did destabilized the government. So, they sent their ships to Black sea. It's amazing to see that you know British history so badly. And, all the poor civilians you brutally killed and bombarded there, they are just some "crocodile tears" for you? Because, let me guess, you are so much better and superior than them. It's called racism. And your little military "escapade" - a genocide against Ukrainian nation.
Who was the government of Ukraine was in some dispute. The Western Entente powers were allied to the Tsar who did not recognise what you call the government of Ukraine. The country had been actually occupied by the Germans and Austro-Hungarians, who had set up their own government, again distinct from yours. There were then a number of private militias trying to set up their own governments, one of which you recognise on account of its side winning several years later. But the Entente did not recognise them and had no legal obligation to do so, any more than France or Britain have a legal obligation to recognise the opposition as the new government of Ukraine today. So your statement that the Entente destabilised the government - certainly the Triple Entente, which itself claimed to include the government of Ukraine! - is tendentious.

Now another question is, should the Entente have recognised the Red forces? Given the atrocious way they conducted themselves during and after the war, certainly not. Your crocodile tears are for a bunch of butchers, who you would rather have let wash their hands in the blood of millions of defencelss peasants without having to fight for it first. Boo-hoo!

So, then French and Brits divided the "spheres of influence", cutting Ukraine like some very tasty pie, where Brits received "Cossack lands".
The idea that Britain, led alone France, could or would remotely want to colonise a country to which they had no reliable sea access and which would create a huge and indefensible land border on the other side of Europe is simply fantasy.

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So what perfect country are you from then?
Given that both he and the OP parroted the same stilted Russian government propaganda line, "Europe must keep aloof from such people and such outrages.", I suggest they are being paid by the Russian government, and are possibly the same person.
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Who was the government of Ukraine was in some dispute. The Western Entente powers were allied to the Tsar who did not recognise what you call the government of Ukraine. The country had been actually occupied by the Germans and Austro-Hungarians, who had set up their own government, again distinct from yours. There were then a number of private militias trying to set up their own governments, one of which you recognise on account of its side winning several years later. But the Entente did not recognise them and had no legal obligation to do so, any more than France or Britain have a legal obligation to recognise the opposition as the new government of Ukraine today. So your statement that the Entente destabilised the government - certainly the Triple Entente, which itself claimed to include the government of Ukraine! - is tendentious.

Now another question is, should the Entente have recognised the Red forces? Given the atrocious way they conducted themselves during and after the war, certainly not. Your crocodile tears are for a bunch of butchers, who you would rather have let wash their hands in the blood of millions of defencelss peasants without having to fight for it first. Boo-hoo!


The idea that Britain, led alone France, could or would remotely want to colonise a country to which they had no reliable sea access and which would create a huge and indefensible land border on the other side of Europe is simply fantasy.


Given that both he and the OP parroted the same stilted Russian government propaganda line, "Europe must keep aloof from such people and such outrages.", I suggest they are being paid by the Russian government, and are possibly the same person.
"During 1918, Entente was hostile to the new Ukrainian government, completely supporting general Denikin (another pro-Russian occupant), and the idea of resurrecting a new glorious, "united Russia"... So, supporting Russian occupants, they refuse even to talk to Doroshenko, Ukrainian Foreign minister.
In 1918 Entente sent its army to Ukraine, Ukrainian army, after bloody battle, managed to take Odessa. Immediately afterwards, French-Greek troops landed on Odessa sea shore. More bloody battled followed. Desperately, to stop Ukrainian bloodshed, Ukraine issued a statement "To the democracies of this planet, and to democracies of Entente's country", asking them to stop interfering into Ukrainian affairs and to stop paying Russian army to occupy Ukraine. That statement, like a last cry for help, in the blood-covered Ukraine, was left unanswered.
Russians, along with the help of their new Western friends, quickly occupied the south of Ukraine, were the policy of dearly departed last Russian tsar was implemented into action: those who could not speak Russian, were killed on sight, as a part of ethnic cleaning, to "free" the space for future Russian and western immigrants. Denikin and Entente demanded for Ukrainian government to resign. One of the participants was a gifted playwright and writer, Volodymyr Vinnichenko. He managed to get to France, while the other Ukrainian leaders were brutally murdered, either by white Russians, red Russians, or dear Entente. But, kid yourself not: he was left quietly starved to death there, while his plays were a great success in Berlin, Paris and London - he was declared a perona non-grata, and was not allowed to receive any royalties from his works.
To cut the long story short, at last Brits did leave Ukraine for Russians to rob and govern. In 1932-1933 Russians, yet another attempt in ethnic cleansing, remove all the food from Ukrainian farmers, closed Ukrainian borders so they could not escape, and let them die.
It's called Holodomor. Check this video to see what Russians did, while your "acknowledged" Russian occupation and allowed them to kill Ukrainians. Up to ten millions died slow, painful death, and NOW Britain announced that it would not interferer. Also, happily, they bought Ukrainian bread, while people died:
http://youtu.be/bQzgs3GEsXw
Maybe a couple of crocodile tears will be squeezed out of your peepers, when you see this video (feel free to Google the photos also). After this, Ukrainian people greeted German army, thinking that the help and rescue from Russian occupants came, how quickly they were disillusioned! (What did they expect, poor people, Russians were quick friends with German nazi government) Check, for example, Koriukivka massacre.
So, Ukrainians formed an army and fought Germans, ironically, thus helping Russian occupants to come back! After WW2, Brits happily signed yet another agreement with Russians, which stated that this land of free would send back to Soviets any Ukrainian, who managed to break free from that hell. Many of Independent Ukrainian army tried to get away also. British opened Britain to KGB, who arrived there, opened torture chambers and snatched people openly from the streets. Tortured, badly disfigured people were dragged on ferries to cross the channel, and you just looked some other way.
Let's not forget dear Margy, who climbed a platform and announced that Ukrainians were not a nation, must all learn Russian, and that she would sooner open an embassy in San Francisco, rather than in Ukraine.
So, of couse, now you want to keep "aloof" from the people who you harmed that much. You don't want them in European Union, because you are afraid that their friends and relatives will be able to come and ask you maybe, just to look into their eyes! I think that even you are not shameless enough, after you killed, tortured, robbed, and aided and abated in murder, robbing, starving to death and so on.
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