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Should we just forget about Africa?

Reply 20

username30930

lol this thread. yeah them darkies are all the same innit?

i think the voting age should be raised to 47

Reply 21

Goddess Fury

8

coaster

Should charity begin at home? Should aid be stopped? Is it a lost cause?

Discuss.

More money has been sent to africa than was used to re-build western europe after WW2. They have crap leaders who don't spend the money right.
Do you want your tax money going to a king who uses it to buy 10 BMWs for his 10 wives??? Do you want your tax money to pay for mugabe to kill white farmers? Do you want your tax money to go to mandela, who built a huge airport where the cleaners outnumber the passengers??? Look at how great Japan is now, and they had nothing after WW2, yet africa remains a
**** hole. Another thing is the way they breed, if an species breeds to the point where it's environment can't substain it, then it dies, the same applies to humans. By sending them aid we are allowing more to breed, which will make the problem 10x worse in the long run. We should just leave them to nature, oh and to try and elect a politician with half a brain-cell.

Reply 22

Apagg

13

I was about to say (much to my shame) that I agreed with Happybob, but then the usual racist bs crept in at the end. The comparison with Japan was a valid one, but the difference is that Japan opened up to trade and capitalism, whilst Africa has followed the socialist, protectionist road.

Reply 23

username30930

lol promoting contraception = encouraging them to breed? really?

Reply 24

shady lane

16

You guys don't know much about the situation in many African countries.
A lot are developing and growing at extraordinary rates.
China is already noticing and investing heavily.
Rates of return in African countries for investors are avg 29%.
Democracy has been stable in a number of countries for the past decade.

Anyway, read something before you have a debate because you guys are very ill-informed. I won't say the whole continent is doing well, but there are many countries, each has a different situation.

Lebanon and Israel are blowing each other up, why don't we just forget about them, with this logic.

Reply 25

Apagg

13

shady lane

You guys don't know much about the situation in many African countries.
A lot are developing and growing at extraordinary rates.
China is already noticing and investing heavily.
Rates of return in African countries for investors are avg 29%.
Democracy has been stable in a number of countries for the past decade.

Anyway, read something before you have a debate because you guys are very ill-informed. I won't say the whole continent is doing well, but there are many countries, each has a different situation.

Lebanon and Israel are blowing each other up, why don't we just forget about them, with this logic.

Botswana and Uganda are indeed doing comparatively well, but the others (in sub-saharan Africa, anyway) are still suffering quite badly. Tanzania is experiencing high growth at the moment, this is true (around 6%) but given the continued unrest there originating from Zanzibar, it's unlikely that it will see a lot of investment, and questionable whether or not this growth will be sustained. Bear in mind also that a lot of "growth" in African nations often reflects a military build up.

Reply 26

SuperhansFavouriteAlsatian

shady lane

Lebanon and Israel are blowing each other up, why don't we just forget about them, with this logic.

A-****ing-Men

Reply 27

TSRXShogun

6

coaster

Should charity begin at home? Should aid be stopped? Is it a lost cause?

Discuss.

-Well yeah I mean if you want to help the other you must first help yourself, I mean whats the point of helping other when your 'home' isnt properly aided
-I dont think aid should be stopped, if people is in need it is better to help them than to leave them and it show sign of civilsed people
-A lost cause? Perhaps I mean as many know the corruption in the governing body of the countries is the main problem of why people dont want to donate/aid/help the country. The donations didnt get to the people who need it instead it is abosrbed by those corrupt selfish inhuman politicians...

Reply 28

Hulk56

9

coaster

Should charity begin at home? Should aid be stopped? Is it a lost cause?

Discuss.

No, we will never forget about Africa or any other poor country.. They need our help, so we will support them 100%

Reply 29

D00

13

Africa is a continent that will never have standard living qualities, it's a war-torn, corrupt continent and our money isn't approving anything.

Reply 30

shady lane

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D00

Africa is a continent that will never have standard living qualities, it's a war-torn, corrupt continent and our money isn't approving anything.

Umm...improving?

That's an ignorant generalization by the way.

Ugh...I see so much ignorance about Africa on TSR, and in general. And people try to argue with me. I have a degree in International Relations with African Studies as a minor subject! We can disagree but since so few people even have basic facts correct, it's just kind of pointless I guess.

Reply 31

Howard

5

coolworld37

No, we will never forget about Africa or any other poor country.

You do know that Africa isn't a country?

Reply 32

naivesincerity

2

Howard

You do know that Africa isn't a country?

Well, yeah, but all African countries are the same aren't they? What with the war paints, the boiling people in big pots and eating them, the sex with monkeys, and the wild wailing chants? :rolleyes:

Reply 33

Goddess Fury

8

naivesincerity

Well, yeah, but all African countries are the same aren't they? What with the war paints, the boiling people in big pots and eating them, the sex with monkeys, and the wild wailing chants? :rolleyes:

You forgot voodoo.

Reply 34

shady lane

16

happybob

You forgot voodoo.

Voodoo's Caribbean.

Reply 35

tocktick

the one thing that surprised me in here was the argument that countries should only help themselves...oh but yeah, we should still export from africa and other continents. if you want countries to only help themselves, let them be self-sufficient too. see how thriving the economy is then. this is the kind of selfish, greedy crap i cannot stand. "lets make our already thriving country rich, while we take from other nations that are poor - but lets not help them at all". as long as there is more than one country in the world we should all be helping each other. we help each other in war, we should help each other when we are in need.

what if the situation was reversed? what if the vast majority of europe (inc. england) was poverty-sticken, disease ridden and with high death rates? would you not want other countries to intervene and try and help the situation? or would you rather the entire continent just wither and die of starvation and diseases that are actually easily curable?

africa is a massive continent with huge scale probems. to expect the whole continent to be largely free of poverty by now is unrealistic. granted, many changes need to be made within the african goverments and corruption is rife - these need to be sorted before any major changes happen in africa. but the continent still needs money from other countries goverment's and it's people. also, whilst rich nations have given money - these are only "loans" and many countries have a debt left over their heads that they cannot really pay. so they are left trying to sort out their country while giving a lot of money to rich nations. nations that could probably actually go without this money. and even though these nations have given money, there is still more they could give without f-ing up their own country in the long-run. besides, lets face it - no country is going to give so much money that their own nation will also be put into poverty. it says a lot that bono's charity has apparently given more to africa than the north american government.

Reply 36

TheThirdMan

1

The state of africa as a continent is more up to the poor state they were left by the european empires than their flamboyant, mellon worshipping, leaders. Should america have left europe to die in WW2? Oh no! Course not, that's us!

Reply 37

Goddess Fury

8

TheThirdMan

The state of africa as a continent is more up to the poor state they were left by the european empires than their flamboyant, mellon worshipping, leaders. Should america have left europe to die in WW2? Oh no! Course not, that's us!

The state of africa as a continent is more up to the poor state they were left by the european empires than their flamboyant, mellon worshipping, leaders

Can somebody please come up with some figures to prove this statement wrong, I already know this statement is wrong but I cannot be botherd to surf the net right now. Look for life expectancy and education figures.

Reply 38

Goddess Fury

8

shady lane

Voodoo's Caribbean.

http://www.swagga.com/voodoo.htm

Reply 39

SuperhansFavouriteAlsatian

It's impossible to say. Where would Britain be if the Roman Empire hadn't taken England over 2000 years ago? Where would Africa be if we hadn't likewise? But what we do know is that some countries have done much better than others, and the ones that have done badly happen to be the same ones whose leaders buy themselves mercede's with UN aid and keep their own people dependent on them by hording Red Cross food aid packages. While this certainly doesn't shirk the blame of the European empires, it does insinuate that the countries have had enough time as self-determining entities to at least get on the road to sorting themselves out, something that many have failed to do, and THAT is no fault but their own (or their leaders).

Should we just forget about Africa?

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