why are there almost no female libertarians?

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and why are there so many young women left wing? pretty much every college age girl i know who is into politics is very left wing, a few are more conservative but i can't think of a single libertarian .
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Because if we were left to be able to do what we wanted, our minds would short circuit and we'll all cease to function. We need rules. Parameters. INSTRUCTIONS.
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Having alienated most of the men with their feminist poison they still need someone to look after them and pay for "their" children, namely the State.
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I think that most college aged people I know are left wing, boys and girls
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Having alienated most of the men with their feminist poison they still need someone to look after them and pay for "their" children, namely the State.
Setting aside everything else about this post, the scare quotes around the word their are interesting. Are you implying that the children are someone else's? That women are falsely claiming parenthood? I'm genuinely puzzled.
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she makes some good points but i don't think it's the whole story. think about this: in the natural world, how many females from the social mammal category live outside the group? pretty much none. same answer for the eternal question why do teenage girls always travel in packs by the virgin guys who are too scared to approach them around their friends.
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Women tend to value security while men tend to value freedom. Women want large government to look after them while men want small government so they're left in peace. Women need the resources of men, but men have expectations of the women they provide for (e.g. be pretty and sweet), so women like voting for the government to tax men and steal their money at gunpoint to give to women, as they then have no expectations put upon them.

Women also tend to be more emotional while men tend to be more logical. Women are therefore more drawn to pie-in-the-sky ideas like fairness and equality, while men are more drawn to sensible ideas like fiscal responsibility - especially as men grow older and wiser.

As pointed out many young men are left wing, presumably because they a) are ignorant, b) aren't earning a high salary that will get taxed to hell, and c) are agreeing with women's left wing views in an attempt to sleep with them.

Of course, married women are more conservative, because they don't want their husbands being taxed so much.
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Well, young people in general tend to lean left-wing. But as someone who's seen many of the various factions of the left, it tends to be the more socially libertarian ones that have more women in. While there are still usually more men, there are always quite a lot of women at anarchist events that I've been to, whereas the orthodox Marxist groups tend to be more male-dominated (though there are exceptions).
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Well, young people in general tend to lean left-wing. But as someone who's seen many of the various factions of the left, it tends to be the more socially libertarian ones that have more women in. While there are still usually more men, there are always quite a lot of women at anarchist events that I've been to, whereas the orthodox Marxist groups tend to be more male-dominated (though there are exceptions).
i was talking about ron paul libertarians types, not chomsky. the more american interpretation of it, with milton friedman and so on. not only the social aspects but economic as well : fiscal responsibility, smaller gov, lower or no income taxes etc. very few women are into ideologies that encourage individuality and personal responsibility.
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Young PEOPLE generally favour left wing politics. I studied politics at VI form and most people there were liberals, but financially centre-right. I knew a girl who was a 'hardline Thatcherite' to the point where she didn't think contraception should be legal o.O
I think most people around our age see the need for a free market economy and also see the need for a safety net for those who do not work. I live in an affluent area, but was completely thrown when I was talking to a girl at the age of about 14 and she told me that her family couldn't afford any hot water or heating, makes me wonder what benefit money is being spent on if that can happen.
I knew quite a few socialists, but they didn't seem to have many functional policies.
For Teachers, we had an American, a Marxist, a libertarian, a conservative and a labour voter, if that helps you.
I wouldn't say that modern feminism is Marxist, it's just a question of being in control of your own genitals (true feminism/egalitarianism, that is, not this 'we hate men' rhetoric). First and second wave feminism were to do with the right to vote and the right to buy things in your own right, respectively. I don't see what's so radical about seeing others as human beings that you can't cope with it, though I do agree that Germaine Greer has some absolutely mental ideas and I do not agree with Caitlin Moran on every issue, just most of the things.
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(Original post by thecrediblehulk)
i was talking about ron paul libertarians types, not chomsky. the more american interpretation of it, with milton friedman and so on. not only the social aspects but economic as well : fiscal responsibility, smaller gov, lower or no income taxes etc.
I know what you were talking about, just chipping in my two cents.

Tbh, I'd be very surprised if there weren't noticeably more young women in American-style libertarian organisations than in more conservative right-wing groups.

very few women are into ideologies that encourage individuality and personal responsibility.
Could you try to make this point without using almost meaningless buzzwords?
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Many women seem to find the state to be a more reliable "partner" than a possibly irresponsible man who is himself struggling to survive in very difficult economic circumstances.
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I know what you were talking about, just chipping in my two cents.

Tbh, I'd be very surprised if there weren't noticeably more young women in American-style libertarian organisations than in more conservative right-wing groups.

Could you try to make this point without using almost meaningless buzzwords?
i used to talk to american supporters of ron paul and other US libertarians all the time a few years ago, almost none were female.

think of it like this: a society where the gov and the welfare state are huge, with very high taxes (a lot of europe but especially the nordic countries) - who benefits much more from it, men or women?
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Many women seem to find the state to be a more reliable "partner" than a possibly irresponsible man who is himself struggling to survive in very difficult economic circumstances.
But then men go through financial hardship and men can be single parents too. It's irresponsible not to take into account whether or not having a child is financially viable. Prior to having children, both people should be able to support each other. I don't mean millionaire, I just mean a steady job. There are children born outside financial stability, though, which is why the net is there. I'll stop before i say too much, but SPUC shouldn't be allowed in schools with their ideological *******s.
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I think political views are largely based on gut emotional feelings. Perhaps women have a tendency to be more caring and understanding, which encourage adherence to left-leaning political philosophies. Likewise, men may feel more strongly about individuality, strength, etc., and so could be drawn to libertarian or nationalistic philosophies.

I expect the subject must have been studied. If not it's something I'd love to research myself if I could.
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(Original post by thecrediblehulk)
and why are there so many young women left wing? pretty much every college age girl i know who is into politics is very left wing, a few are more conservative but i can't think of a single libertarian .
women are brought up to be empathetic, they empathise with those less fortunate more and therefore take the more empathetic political stance.

well that is my theory at least
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i used to talk to american supporters of ron paul and other US libertarians all the time a few years ago, almost none were female.
I'm not saying there'd be a large number of women, I'd still expect that there wouldn't be many, just that I'd expect there to be more young women among supporters of people like Ron Paul than among supporters of, for example, Romney or Santorum.

think of it like this: a society where the gov and the welfare state are huge, with very high taxes (a lot of europe but especially the nordic countries) - who benefits much more from it, men or women?
I don't want to sidetrack this debate too much, but I feel I should make the point here that European countries had larger welfare states and higher taxes in the 1950s and 1960s than they do now. For example, the top rate of income tax in the UK is 45%; between the end of WW2 and 1971, it was never below 90%.

And at least initially, the main beneficiaries of the welfare state were men, or to be more specific, white working-class men who now had increased job security, disposable income, workers' rights, etc. It was the campaigns by the excluded groups (including women, but also including non-white people, the Third World, etc) to be included in this system that eventually led to it collapsing in the 1970s.

In short, who benefits is dependent on how its implemented and what it replaces.
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women are brought up to be empathetic, they empathise with those less fortunate more and therefore take the more empathetic political stance.

well that is my theory at least
so women being more caring than men is all societal?
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Women tend to value security while men tend to value freedom. Women want large government to look after them while men want small government so they're left in peace. Women need the resources of men, but men have expectations of the women they provide for (e.g. be pretty and sweet), so women like voting for the government to tax men and steal their money at gunpoint to give to women, as they then have no expectations put upon them.

Women also tend to be more emotional while men tend to be more logical. Women are therefore more drawn to pie-in-the-sky ideas like fairness and equality, while men are more drawn to sensible ideas like fiscal responsibility - especially as men grow older and wiser.

As pointed out many young men are left wing, presumably because they a) are ignorant, b) aren't earning a high salary that will get taxed to hell, and c) are agreeing with women's left wing views in an attempt to sleep with them.

Of course, married women are more conservative, because they don't want their husbands being taxed so much.
sooo libertarians are opposed to fairness?
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so women being more caring than men is all societal?
I think a lot of it is yes.
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