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Although Delingpole can be extreme at times he never fails to entertain and amuse. I thought this brought up some good points as to why the Conservatives are such failures lately.

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(Original post by Joeman560)
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-L...a-Party-spirit

Although Delingpole can be extreme at times he never fails to entertain and amuse. I thought this brought up some good points as to why the Conservatives are such failures lately.

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Because republicans are doing so well in the states? The Tea Party movement really narrowed the gap on Obama in the last presidential election?
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(Original post by Joeman560)
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-L...a-Party-spirit

Although Delingpole can be extreme at times he never fails to entertain and amuse. I thought this brought up some good points as to why the Conservatives are such failures lately.

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I think he's getting a few issues confused. I don't think going "Tea Party" would help the Tories electability at all. Their success of failure will be judged at the next GE. Electorally speaking, Cameron's Tories have been relatively successful. If they win the next GE with a majority, that's a success.

Of course going "Tea Party" would make stereotypical Tory voters happy. But how many voters are there who agree with everything Delingpole seems to want?

Then there's what's actually good for the country. This is pretty subjective in terms of what the coalition have actually done and what a Tory lurch to the right would actually achieve.

The Tories being more like the Tea Party would only really please loonies like Delingpole (most of whom always have and always will vote Tory at GE anyway) which is why they shouldn't and won't do it.
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(Original post by Joeman560)
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-L...a-Party-spirit

Although Delingpole can be extreme at times he never fails to entertain and amuse. I thought this brought up some good points as to why the Conservatives are such failures lately.

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Palin was a liability in 08 and comments on things like abortion cost Romney.

Ukip are bad enough, a lurch to the right from the Tories would see them out of office for a generation. I sure as hell would not vote for them.
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I'm a free-market anti-capitalist, so while I sympathise with some of the noises that Tea Party makes from time I'm not overly sympathetic to their ideology. That said, I quite like populism, whether it comes from the right or the left, and there's a great deal of common ground to be found between the two. Both the Occupy and Tea Party movements are decentralised, focused on ideas rather than political realism, oppose corruption and state-private partnerships, at least sceptical of wars and the surveillance state, sympathetic to civil libertarianism, etc. The world would be a better (and certainly more interesting) place with more Greens and fewer Labourites, and more UKIPers and fewer Conservatives.

If I were a Tory, I'd observe that a major problem facing the Conservative Party is the lack of any real message beyond "not Labour". A movement with a real message and ideology, even if it were not translated in policy, might be a boon to the party.
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I'm a free-market anti-capitalist
Lolwut?
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Lolwut?
I think that freed markets based on quasi-Lockean/Proudhonian (I think they're more similar than either would admit) would lead to the erosion of the capitalist system, which was founded on and is maintained by legal privilege.
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I think that freed markets based on quasi-Lockean/Proudhonian (I think they're more similar than either would admit) would lead to the erosion of the capitalist system, which was founded on and is maintained by legal privilege.
Translation: I know nothing about Locke or Proudhon, or free-markets, or capitalism, or the legal system, and just using obscure oxymoronic bs (although I don't realise this) to sound smart. How on Earth could you have a market system based on the ideas of a guy who thought that property was theft? And how on Earth can this be synthesised with a guy who thought that property was civilisation?
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It won't happen. Most people in this country care more about free stuff than freedom.
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I would not vote for anything remotely Tea Party, in this country or the United States.
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(Original post by INT 32 86)
Translation: I know nothing about Locke or Proudhon, or free-markets, or capitalism, or the legal system, and just using obscure oxymoronic bs (although I don't realise this) to sound smart. How on Earth could you have a market system based on the ideas of a guy who thought that property was theft? And how on Earth can this be synthesised with a guy who thought that property was civilisation?
**** - you're on to me...

Proudhon didn't think all property was theft. He thought private, absentee property was theft but he supported personal property. In my opinion, once combined with freedom of contract personal property leads to something resembling a Lockean style system. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutuali...onomic_theory)
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How on Earth could you have a market system based on the ideas of a guy who thought that property was theft?
Whut? Proudhon himself supported a market economy.
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As much as I would love to watch the Tories crash and burn, the last time that happened we got Blair and New Labour. Would really rather not take another lurch rightwards please.

Delingpole is just another one of those hard-righties with a perpetual persecution complex.
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