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    I've only been on TSR for a number of weeks, however, I have noticed that the majority of users are left wing voters. I am not. I would like to know the main reasons why someone who would identify themselves as left wing, or a labour voter, are inclined to be that way and believe in those ideas.


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    (Original post by olmyster911)
    I've only been on TSR for a number of weeks, however, I have noticed that the majority of users are left wing voters. I am not. I would like to know the main reasons why someone who would identify themselves as left wing, or a labour voter, are inclined to be that way and believe in those ideas.


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    Really? I tend to notice a lot more right-wing posters, especially in this sub-forum.

    Or maybe, just maybe, there's a pretty even mixture of both, and we just tend to notice the people that disagree with us more.
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    I just think it's the state's job to ensure their citizens have a good quality of life, rather than every man for himself. All men are not created equal... That's why the strong need to help the weak, rather than leaving them to die.

    I also want civil rights and things like that. It'd be nice to have a world where people are treated as equal. I don't think the state should regulate what people do in the bedroom, who people marry, et cetera... Though I don't agree with the left's lack of freedom of speech.

    It's also the states job to ensure businesses are engaging in fair practice that won't harm people.

    When a lot of people say "right-wing" they confuse it with libertarianism. Libertarianism (as UKIP laughably call themselves) isn't on the right or the left. They want everyone to have the same civil rights yet not have the government get involved with benefits and things like that.

    So that's why. The right are often religious nutters but I can see some decent points from them. But the right-wing parties in the UK are just being silly. As are some of the left (greens come to mind).
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    I'd describe myself as centre.
    I don't believe I lean either way, however, I am currently in favour of the conservatives.
    I believe the country needs a stable economy that can compete with the rest of the world, because more growth in the economy means the country can begin to spend some money again.
    I don't agree with excessive privatisation; I adore the NHS.
    I don't support the unlimited amount of time one can spend on benefits (apart from genuine cases of disability), and favour the American approach where a person can only have been claiming for a certain period of time in their life before it is stopped.
    I think we need to increase our troop numbers and technological spending in the armed forces.
    We should increase the number of police officers on the streets and introduce tougher sentences for criminals, and deport any foreign criminals without an appeal.
    I think we need to increase science and research spending by a very large amount in order to progress as a nation.
    I believe immigration should be capped to people who can prove they have a good amount of money and who are going to be contributing to society (such as a doctor or nurse).
    I believe the government should do more to provide green subsidies, such as solar panels to households, and invest in nuclear power (that is not supported by foreign investment like the Chinese).
    Lastly, I am not religious but would still encourage the role of the church and other faith organisations in government because they have a large following.


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    (Original post by olmyster911)
    I've only been on TSR for a number of weeks, however, I have noticed that the majority of users are left wing voters. I am not. I would like to know the main reasons why someone who would identify themselves as left wing, or a labour voter, are inclined to be that way and believe in those ideas.


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    I would identify myself as left-wing but I'm not a Labour supporter (they are more or less now a party of the centre in my view). I believe that society should involve the equitable distribution of needs and responsibilities. I'm a socialist rather than a liberal because I believe in economic democracy as well as political democracy.
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    Because I care about things other than myself.
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    Really? I tend to notice a lot more right-wing posters, especially in this sub-forum.

    Or maybe, just maybe, there's a pretty even mixture of both, and we just tend to notice the people that disagree with us more.
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    (Original post by olmyster911)
    I've only been on TSR for a number of weeks, however, I have noticed that the majority of users are left wing voters. I am not. I would like to know the main reasons why someone who would identify themselves as left wing, or a labour voter, are inclined to be that way and believe in those ideas.


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    Really? I tend to notice a lot more right-wing posters, especially in this sub-forum.

    Or maybe, just maybe, there's a pretty even mixture of both, and we just tend to notice the people that disagree with us more.
    TSR is very liberal but there's no real winner in terms of economic left and right.
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    I am a left winger as there was another boy in the school year 7 football team who was also a right winger, but I was slightly more comfortable than him kicking a ball with my weaker left foot, so I continued as a left winger from then on.
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    (Original post by olmyster911)
    I've only been on TSR for a number of weeks, however, I have noticed that the majority of users are left wing voters. I am not. I would like to know the main reasons why someone who would identify themselves as left wing, or a labour voter, are inclined to be that way and believe in those ideas.


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    Firstly, I think the right-wing is in the majority on TSR. Secondly, Labour isn't really left wing and hasn't been for a long time. I affiliate myself with the left because I think it is more likely to achieve a better future for everyone. The right is synonymous with exploitation and selfishness, two things I hate bitterly.
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    Because the governments purpose is to serve the people.

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    (Original post by Obiejess)
    Because the governments purpose is to serve the people.

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    The government's purpose has never been to serve people. It's purpose is to control. Control money, control order, control the land.

    Even if they say they will, no government is here to serve you or anyone else.


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    (Original post by olmyster911)
    The government's purpose has never been to serve people. It's purpose is to control. Control money, control order, control the land.

    Even if they say they will, no government is here to serve you or anyone else.


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    Why does money, order and land need to be controlled? So the people are not subject to chaos.

    People rattle on abput GDP and the economy but forget that the economy means **** all of it's not being used to support the people actually living in the country. What good is a number on a piece of paper if the country is starving?

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    TSR contains way more Tories and neo-liberal types who are all going to make fortunes after uni and wallow in cash until the end of days than it does genuine radical, alternative thinkers.

    I stopped describing myself as left wing when I was a teenager as I think it's too narrow and restrictive and didn't really mean anything but I imagine most others would view me as left of centre.

    I believe in social healthcare e.g. a properly funded NHS.
    I believe in top class education at primary, secondary and third level for all.
    I believe these should be funded by a progressive taxation system.
    I believe a society is judged on how it treats its most vulnerable.
    I believe benefits culture is in fact driven by neo-liberalism because it is in fact easier to give the unemployed money to spend in the domestic economy than it is to acknowledge that generational unemployment is a necessary byproduct of the relentless pursuit of the bottom line and cheaper than investing in upskilling/education and/or economic incentives to generate employment for lower skilled workers.
    I believe in financial regulation because I believe in the economic carnage and ensuing hardship I witnessed first hand in the last 6 years- not a Wall Street or City lackey who tells me regulation is a hindrance to money making.
    I believe in the inalienable right of the people to choose their representatives free from propaganda, media distortion and Big Business setting the agenda in politics.

    And I'm realistic enough to know that such a utopian society will not spring up over night at the behest of some charismatic socialists.

    So am I left wing?
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    (Original post by olmyster911)
    The government's purpose has never been to serve people. It's purpose is to control. Control money, control order, control the land.

    Even if they say they will, no government is here to serve you or anyone else.


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    Not even the faceless capitalists who underwrite their campaigns and pay their wages?
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    I'd say I'm right-wing in that I sympathise with many of the ideals put forward: minimal government, reduced welfare state (but still keeping it, of course), individualism, I believe that we should help people but not to the extent that their responsibility to help themselves is taken away, low taxation, giving everyone the best opportunities to succeed (although I think this one is a cross-party idea), I detest the idea of taxing the "rich" to support the rest of society - why should hard work be punished? I think all people should be given equal opportunities to succeed through education, etc. as I'm passionate about social mobility and giving people the right to succeed BUT if people have worked harder then why shouldn't they enjoy certain advantages in life rather than being burdened with taxation? In short, I believe in people's freedom to succeed. But I'd say I'm more left-wing on social issues: I believe there should be laws put in place to protect certain groups against discrimination (women, ethnic minorities, etc.), I'm 110% for gay rights and marriage, I'm for action against climate change, against war because I'm a pacifist and I do value tradition but welcome change (maybe that's a bit of a contradiction ). I guess I'm a center-right? I'm quite confused about my political identity.
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    Because I'm reasonably intelligent.
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    Left-wingers are poor, disabled, thick or moral.
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    Left-wingers are poor, disabled, thick or moral.
    Are you attempting to use morality as an insult? :confused:
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    (Original post by MangoFreak)
    Because I'm reasonably intelligent.
    Funny. How left are you. Are you a proponent of socialism, which has never been a success in a modern society? Or are you a labour voter, whose party of choice oversaw the economic collapse? You do sound very intelligent.
 
 
 

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