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Drugs
I have long been a supporter of drug use. I still don't believe it's immoral. I sitll believe most, if not all drugs should be made legal.
If people want to ruin their lives smoking crack then let them. Ensure only the gov sells it and sell it at a high enough price to provide a disincentive and but a low enough price to get rid of scummy drug dealers. The negative effects are financed by the money the gov. gains by selling it (at least). Note I am not saying that companies should sell it: the gov. only gets the tax from cigarettes whereas here it would get all the money on harder drugs.
Anyway. This isn't D&D. I could have put this in GD but the people who know the most about this and are most likely to have valid input hand about in here. So in the interests of vibrant, intelligent (!) discussion I put the thread in H&R.
OK. A month ago I had a heated argument about drugs with a friend which ended in him accusing me of touching "too close to home" and him leaving the pub. The subject was drug use. If as a young person one has fairly limited money, why would one spend the money on drugs? Drugs (Im including tobacco and alcohol but not things like sugar and caffeine in this argument) ruin your health in a number of ways? So why would you do this? Are there any positive aspects which outweigh the long term disadvantages (amnesia or whatever else)?
I was given the argument that it helps you to discover yourself. But whilst on drugs you experience another reality. An unreality. So you may well make lots of exciting voyages and feel very good, but unless you want to spend your whole time on drugs you are not really making any worthwhile discovery.
Drugs are fine to complement fun. A few pints down the pub or a spliff after a movie are fine. Fun will still be had and the nature of the fun is not changed but enhanced (at least in the eyes of those doing it - try being sober among a group of drunks/tipsy fairies. They are all having a laugh and you are pretty WTF?).
And herein is the argument against hallucinogenics (magic mushrooms and LSD) and most harder drugs (perhaps cocaine excepted). When on these sorts of drugs the drug itself is the fun. On ecstasy it is not dancing that is really the activity. It is the OMG LOOK HOW BRIGHT THE COLOURS ARE, HOW COOL IT FEELS TO BE TOUCHED etc. You could take ecstasy in prison and still have fun.
So yeh. Any comments on this (particularly from drug users - although all comments are of course welcome)?
Why do YOU take drugs (INCLUDING alcohol and cigarettes).
Prince Paul
If people want to ruin their lives smoking crack then let them. Ensure only the gov sells it and sell it at a high enough price to provide a disincentive and but a low enough price to get rid of scummy drug dealers. The negative effects are financed by the money the gov. gains by selling it (at least). Note I am not saying that companies should sell it: the gov. only gets the tax from cigarettes whereas here it would get all the money on harder drugs.
Anyway. This isn't D&D. I could have put this in GD but the people who know the most about this and are most likely to have valid input hand about in here. So in the interests of vibrant, intelligent (!) discussion I put the thread in H&R.
OK. A month ago I had a heated argument about drugs with a friend which ended in him accusing me of touching "too close to home" and him leaving the pub. The subject was drug use. If as a young person one has fairly limited money, why would one spend the money on drugs? Drugs (Im including tobacco and alcohol but not things like sugar and caffeine in this argument) ruin your health in a number of ways? So why would you do this? Are there any positive aspects which outweigh the long term disadvantages (amnesia or whatever else)?
I was given the argument that it helps you to discover yourself. But whilst on drugs you experience another reality. An unreality. So you may well make lots of exciting voyages and feel very good, but unless you want to spend your whole time on drugs you are not really making any worthwhile discovery.
Drugs are fine to complement fun. A few pints down the pub or a spliff after a movie are fine. Fun will still be had and the nature of the fun is not changed but enhanced (at least in the eyes of those doing it - try being sober among a group of drunks/tipsy fairies. They are all having a laugh and you are pretty WTF?).
And herein is the argument against hallucinogenics (magic mushrooms and LSD) and most harder drugs (perhaps cocaine excepted). When on these sorts of drugs the drug itself is the fun. On ecstasy it is not dancing that is really the activity. It is the OMG LOOK HOW BRIGHT THE COLOURS ARE, HOW COOL IT FEELS TO BE TOUCHED etc. You could take ecstasy in prison and still have fun.
So yeh. Any comments on this (particularly from drug users - although all comments are of course welcome)?
Why do YOU take drugs (INCLUDING alcohol and cigarettes).
Prince Paul
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One of the main reasons I (and I assume many others) take drugs is boredom. I live in a quiet suburb, and its a 15min busride to anywhere. I can go to the cinema, the pub and drink soft drinks, a meal, play some footy etc. However I find that these things can only entertain me for a short time, whilst i'm not sober I can find enjoyment with longevity. Reading that back it seems quite sad, but it doesn't make it any less true 
Its also my social group. Although this would have been more true a couple of years back, me and my friends have gotten into the mindset of 'sober means boring'. Its not always true, but is alot of the time. I think if you live in London, or Manchester etc the ways to entertain yourself are going to be myriad, and so you are less likely to turn to substances to alleviate boredom. Out here in the sticks, the question isn't 'where are we going' but 'what are we doing?' if you see what I mean.
I think drugs appeal to those of use who are less health conscious. I've never worked out, I smoke, drink, use cannabis (and have had many binges on coke, E, shrooms, Special-K, acid, and others in my time), eat a diet of ****e etc. I've just never worried about my health or how the things I do can affect it. Others must be like me surely? I've always taken the jaundiced attitude I'm going to die anyway, so why bother
.
It used to affect my work and family life. Nowadays I'm much calmer and work, commitments etc, always come ahead of smoking a joint or whatever. That wasn't always the case, and is probably the main reason many are anti-use. It can take over your life. It becomes you, your definition.
Its not immoral, its a personal choice. I think it becomes immoral when your running down the high street at 3pm pished off your trolly starting on old grannies (not that I've ever done this lol). As long as it does not affect those around you to a great extent, its ok. But as a personal choice it should not cause other people bother, its then that it becomes immoral. I'd argue for the legalisation of cannabis because its never resulted in a fatality and isn't going to lead to violence. The same cannot be said of crack or heroin, and so these need to remain prohibited.
Its also my social group. Although this would have been more true a couple of years back, me and my friends have gotten into the mindset of 'sober means boring'. Its not always true, but is alot of the time. I think if you live in London, or Manchester etc the ways to entertain yourself are going to be myriad, and so you are less likely to turn to substances to alleviate boredom. Out here in the sticks, the question isn't 'where are we going' but 'what are we doing?' if you see what I mean.
I think drugs appeal to those of use who are less health conscious. I've never worked out, I smoke, drink, use cannabis (and have had many binges on coke, E, shrooms, Special-K, acid, and others in my time), eat a diet of ****e etc. I've just never worried about my health or how the things I do can affect it. Others must be like me surely? I've always taken the jaundiced attitude I'm going to die anyway, so why bother
.It used to affect my work and family life. Nowadays I'm much calmer and work, commitments etc, always come ahead of smoking a joint or whatever. That wasn't always the case, and is probably the main reason many are anti-use. It can take over your life. It becomes you, your definition.
Its not immoral, its a personal choice. I think it becomes immoral when your running down the high street at 3pm pished off your trolly starting on old grannies (not that I've ever done this lol). As long as it does not affect those around you to a great extent, its ok. But as a personal choice it should not cause other people bother, its then that it becomes immoral. I'd argue for the legalisation of cannabis because its never resulted in a fatality and isn't going to lead to violence. The same cannot be said of crack or heroin, and so these need to remain prohibited.
Reply 2
tehjonny
One of the main reasons I (and I assume many others) take drugs is boredom. I live in a quiet suburb, and its a 15min busride to anywhere. I can go to the cinema, the pub and drink soft drinks, a meal, play some footy etc. However I find that these things can only entertain me for a short time, whilst i'm not sober I can find enjoyment with longevity. Reading that back it seems quite sad, but it doesn't make it any less true
Its also my social group. Although this would have been more true a couple of years back, me and my friends have gotten into the mindset of 'sober means boring'. Its not always true, but is alot of the time. I think if you live in London, or Manchester etc the ways to entertain yourself are going to be myriad, and so you are less likely to turn to substances to alleviate boredom. Out here in the sticks, the question isn't 'where are we going' but 'what are we doing?' if you see what I mean.
I think drugs appeal to those of use who are less health conscious. I've never worked out, I smoke, drink, use cannabis (and have had many binges on coke, E, shrooms, Special-K, acid, and others in my time), eat a diet of ****e etc. I've just never worried about my health or how the things I do can affect it. Others must be like me surely? I've always taken the jaundiced attitude I'm going to die anyway, so why bother .
It used to affect my work and family life. Nowadays I'm much calmer and work, commitments etc, always come ahead of smoking a joint or whatever. That wasn't always the case, and is probably the main reason many are anti-use. It can take over your life. It becomes you, your definition.
Its not immoral, its a personal choice. I think it becomes immoral when your running down the high street at 3pm pished off your trolly starting on old grannies (not that I've ever done this lol). As long as it does not affect those around you to a great extent, its ok. But as a personal choice it should not cause other people bother, its then that it becomes immoral. I'd argue for the legalisation of cannabis because its never resulted in a fatality and isn't going to lead to violence. The same cannot be said of crack or heroin, and so these need to remain prohibited.
Its also my social group. Although this would have been more true a couple of years back, me and my friends have gotten into the mindset of 'sober means boring'. Its not always true, but is alot of the time. I think if you live in London, or Manchester etc the ways to entertain yourself are going to be myriad, and so you are less likely to turn to substances to alleviate boredom. Out here in the sticks, the question isn't 'where are we going' but 'what are we doing?' if you see what I mean.
I think drugs appeal to those of use who are less health conscious. I've never worked out, I smoke, drink, use cannabis (and have had many binges on coke, E, shrooms, Special-K, acid, and others in my time), eat a diet of ****e etc. I've just never worried about my health or how the things I do can affect it. Others must be like me surely? I've always taken the jaundiced attitude I'm going to die anyway, so why bother
.It used to affect my work and family life. Nowadays I'm much calmer and work, commitments etc, always come ahead of smoking a joint or whatever. That wasn't always the case, and is probably the main reason many are anti-use. It can take over your life. It becomes you, your definition.
Its not immoral, its a personal choice. I think it becomes immoral when your running down the high street at 3pm pished off your trolly starting on old grannies (not that I've ever done this lol). As long as it does not affect those around you to a great extent, its ok. But as a personal choice it should not cause other people bother, its then that it becomes immoral. I'd argue for the legalisation of cannabis because its never resulted in a fatality and isn't going to lead to violence. The same cannot be said of crack or heroin, and so these need to remain prohibited.
Excellent post. Thank you.
You 2 years ago (or whenever) sounds exactly like my mate here.
Boredom is an excellent reason. And it isnt one that can be used solely by those "out in the sticks". My friend, like so many other drug users, is very poor. His parents have a house and he went to a grammer school. It's not like he lives on an estate. He is very intelligent (which I guess fuels frustration at his plight and his desire to escape reality). But his family routinely finds it a struggle to make ends meet: his mother once nearly reduced him to tears when me and him got munchies and tried to make ourselves a pizza.
So yeh, poverty exists in London. So even if there is a myriad of things to do, if you need £8 to travel to the cinema, buy yourself a ticket and something small to munch on then you are more likely to club together with 2 mates and buy yourself an eighth of marijuana and be stoned off your boll0cks, listen to radiohead (oooh Kid A baby) and talk rubbish. Maybe even watch a children's film (oooh fantasia).
Drug use is a symptom of both boredom and a general malaise in your life. IF your life was perfect you wouldn't want to alter your state to mind.
Reply 3
Phonicsdude
If people want to ruin their lives smoking crack then let them. Ensure only the gov sells it and sell it at a high enough price to provide a disincentive and but a low enough price to get rid of scummy drug dealers. The negative effects are financed by the money the gov. gains by selling it (at least). Note I am not saying that companies should sell it: the gov. only gets the tax from cigarettes whereas here it would get all the money on harder drugs.
sorry but thats a very selfish attitude. If you'd had friends/family who got caught up in that kind of stuff i think you'd be saying something very different. Its ruined so many peoples lives and to presume its 'their fault' is very shortsighted.
They should legalise cannabis, of course (Holland is all the better for it.) Its only people who have never had any experience with it that think its a horror drug that ruins peoples lives. Its no worse than tobacco in my opinion. Im not sure about ecstasy, shrooms etc. Ive had experience with them but only in a really safe environment.
Why do i take drugs? because it improves the quality of my life and i think im responsible enough to handle it. You only live once and i think you may as well experience these things if its safe to do so
Reply 4
Phonicsdude
Maybe even watch a children's film (oooh fantasia)
haha yes!
ive done the very same thing. Everyone in the room was completely quiet for the whole film, just totally amazed by all the music and colours. Then afterwards everyone was like 'omg that was beautiful... ive never seen anything so amazing... made me realise so many things'
then you watch it when your sober and its just a load of goats and horses dancing around to classical music.
Phonicsdude
Excellent post. Thank you.
You 2 years ago (or whenever) sounds exactly like my mate here.
Boredom is an excellent reason. And it isnt one that can be used solely by those "out in the sticks". My friend, like so many other drug users, is very poor. His parents have a house and he went to a grammer school. It's not like he lives on an estate. He is very intelligent (which I guess fuels frustration at his plight and his desire to escape reality). But his family routinely finds it a struggle to make ends meet: his mother once nearly reduced him to tears when me and him got munchies and tried to make ourselves a pizza.
So yeh, poverty exists in London. So even if there is a myriad of things to do, if you need £8 to travel to the cinema, buy yourself a ticket and something small to munch on then you are more likely to club together with 2 mates and buy yourself an eighth of marijuana and be stoned off your boll0cks, listen to radiohead (oooh Kid A baby) and talk rubbish. Maybe even watch a children's film (oooh fantasia).
Drug use is a symptom of both boredom and a general malaise in your life. IF your life was perfect you wouldn't want to alter your state to mind.
You 2 years ago (or whenever) sounds exactly like my mate here.
Boredom is an excellent reason. And it isnt one that can be used solely by those "out in the sticks". My friend, like so many other drug users, is very poor. His parents have a house and he went to a grammer school. It's not like he lives on an estate. He is very intelligent (which I guess fuels frustration at his plight and his desire to escape reality). But his family routinely finds it a struggle to make ends meet: his mother once nearly reduced him to tears when me and him got munchies and tried to make ourselves a pizza.
So yeh, poverty exists in London. So even if there is a myriad of things to do, if you need £8 to travel to the cinema, buy yourself a ticket and something small to munch on then you are more likely to club together with 2 mates and buy yourself an eighth of marijuana and be stoned off your boll0cks, listen to radiohead (oooh Kid A baby) and talk rubbish. Maybe even watch a children's film (oooh fantasia).
Drug use is a symptom of both boredom and a general malaise in your life. IF your life was perfect you wouldn't want to alter your state to mind.
I think out here it was the opposite. I mean, the prices in Hertfordshire are just as high, but I think in general a greater proportion of the population is able to afford it. I used to work in Sainsbury's during A-levels...spent about 200quid a month of draw and affiliate products. But I had nothing much else to spend my money on at the time, being underage.
Saying that, I used to be a bit of a chav
, and so it was also a cultural thing for me 
.Your definitely right, drug use is mainly a defensive mechanism. You just don't want to think about things. Problem is, the longer you don't think the longer things don't get solved...
However, my drug use in earlier years has taught me some things. Mainly, because I don't want to be like that again, I don't **** about lol, I've developed a good attitude towards work and my responsibilities relationship wise etc.
halfoflessthan50p
haha yes!
ive done the very same thing. Everyone in the room was completely quiet for the whole film, just totally amazed by all the music and colours. Then afterwards everyone was like 'omg that was beautiful... ive never seen anything so amazing... made me realise so many things'
then you watch it when your sober and its just a load of goats and horses dancing around to classical music.
haha yes!
ive done the very same thing. Everyone in the room was completely quiet for the whole film, just totally amazed by all the music and colours. Then afterwards everyone was like 'omg that was beautiful... ive never seen anything so amazing... made me realise so many things'
then you watch it when your sober and its just a load of goats and horses dancing around to classical music.
LOL.
On shrooms I used to get like that, think I was having such a profound experience and gaining so much wisdom...
you wake up the next day and you realise it was all just complete *******s, and any sober person would have had hysterics at your pathetic ramblings...
Fantasia is fantastic when off ones tits...
The reason i've not touched hard drugs is for reasons involving ones that i love getting caught up in it and its also the reasons why i smoke and drink... this may sound really emo, socio-apocalyptic or what ever but drugs are there as a means of escape... i can really sympathise with tehjohnny (sp?!) i don't neccesaily live miles from anywhere but i might as well
no drug will ever be legalised by the goverment beacuse they're too hard to tax - i mean look at all the stuff floating round atm...
What drugs are used for should be more of an issue i think - for example aiding date rape - than anything else...
I accept that there is alot of crime that comes with drugs but if some drugs (i stress some, not all) were legalised then this would possibly reduce drug related crime...
if society was more 'accepting' of drug users and there were more programmes to help these people - some of the most vunerable members of society then i think this would also alleviate levels of crimes related to drugs - which lets face it is peoples biggest concern if drugs were legalised.
The reason i've not touched hard drugs is for reasons involving ones that i love getting caught up in it and its also the reasons why i smoke and drink... this may sound really emo, socio-apocalyptic or what ever but drugs are there as a means of escape... i can really sympathise with tehjohnny (sp?!) i don't neccesaily live miles from anywhere but i might as well
no drug will ever be legalised by the goverment beacuse they're too hard to tax - i mean look at all the stuff floating round atm...
What drugs are used for should be more of an issue i think - for example aiding date rape - than anything else...
I accept that there is alot of crime that comes with drugs but if some drugs (i stress some, not all) were legalised then this would possibly reduce drug related crime...
if society was more 'accepting' of drug users and there were more programmes to help these people - some of the most vunerable members of society then i think this would also alleviate levels of crimes related to drugs - which lets face it is peoples biggest concern if drugs were legalised.
Reply 8
halfoflessthan50p
sorry but thats a very selfish attitude. If you'd had friends/family who got caught up in that kind of stuff i think you'd be saying something very different. Its ruined so many peoples lives and to presume its 'their fault' is very shortsighted.
I agree. Im not aportioning blame.
Drug use is a very appealing lifestyle for those who have been dealt a certain hand in life. It is all well and good for politicians who were all Oxbridge educated and hada spliff at a party once with their jug of Pimms to say "Oh but it's a choice and they are ruining their own lives for doing it". OK so they might be right in theory, but in practice turning to drugs has a multitude of advantages. Besides, captalist society has f***** with them so why should they not rebel?
I am saying, why should we not have the right to choose what we do to our own bodies?
Its no worse than tobacco in my opinion. Im not sure about ecstasy, shrooms etc.
I agree with the rest, but one's ability to think lucidly and quickly changes far more after a spliff than it does a cigarette.
Sleep is also far more appealing after gear than ciggaretten.
Why do i take drugs? because it improves the quality of my life and i think im responsible enough to handle it. You only live once and i think you may as well experience these things if its safe to do so
How can you justify giving yourself an early death? Do you not care?
Are there no other ways you could amuse yourself? Why not get a hobby which is less likely to damage your health?
This is not an attack. In the past year Ive done a lot of drugs.
Reply 9
WorkHouse
Fantasia is fantastic when off ones tits...
The reason i've not touched hard drugs is for reasons involving ones that i love getting caught up in it and its also the reasons why i smoke and drink... this may sound really emo, socio-apocalyptic or what ever but drugs are there as a means of escape... i can really sympathise with tehjohnny (sp?!) i don't neccesaily live miles from anywhere but i might as well
no drug will ever be legalised by the goverment beacuse they're too hard to tax - i mean look at all the stuff floating round atm...
What drugs are used for should be more of an issue i think - for example aiding date rape - than anything else...
I accept that there is alot of crime that comes with drugs but if some drugs (i stress some, not all) were legalised then this would possibly reduce drug related crime...
if society was more 'accepting' of drug users and there were more programmes to help these people - some of the most vunerable members of society then i think this would also alleviate levels of crimes related to drugs - which lets face it is peoples biggest concern if drugs were legalised.
The reason i've not touched hard drugs is for reasons involving ones that i love getting caught up in it and its also the reasons why i smoke and drink... this may sound really emo, socio-apocalyptic or what ever but drugs are there as a means of escape... i can really sympathise with tehjohnny (sp?!) i don't neccesaily live miles from anywhere but i might as well
no drug will ever be legalised by the goverment beacuse they're too hard to tax - i mean look at all the stuff floating round atm...
What drugs are used for should be more of an issue i think - for example aiding date rape - than anything else...
I accept that there is alot of crime that comes with drugs but if some drugs (i stress some, not all) were legalised then this would possibly reduce drug related crime...
if society was more 'accepting' of drug users and there were more programmes to help these people - some of the most vunerable members of society then i think this would also alleviate levels of crimes related to drugs - which lets face it is peoples biggest concern if drugs were legalised.
1) If they were legal and sold by the government, drugs would be a lot easier to tax. At the moment they can't tax something that shouldn't exist...
2) Drugs and crime is a myth as far as I know. The main crime is taking the drug itself. Id love to see anyone on cannabis, shrooms, acid or ecstasy commit a crime that they wouldnt just as easily do whilst sober (indeed I think the chances of someone commiting a crime on those drugs would decrease). Indeed most drug related crime is for funding the habit. This is a real issue and would not go away if drugs were legalised.
But then again, it's not going away through drugs being illegal...
Perhaps education and ensuring young people didn't feel so socially disillusioned would help. Give them youth clubs to go to and activities which are cool and help them feel a part of society. Radio stations for instance...
Reply 10
I have (and still do) dabble in psychedelic drugs like cannabis, mushrooms, acid etc. I don't use them to escape the problems of life or reality, but to experiment and expand my mind. Drug trips are powerful experiences, and have undoubtedly changed my life for the better. I feel much more in tune with the world and more flexible as a person, whilst more accepting of 'reality' and its perceived limitations.
Cannabis, on the other hand, I use recreationally, but only occasionally (once a month normally). Whereas alcohol is a depressant that makes me lose control, cannabis is an enjoyable experience that also inspires creativity. Rather than controlling me, drugs have made me feel more in control of myself as a result.
Cannabis, on the other hand, I use recreationally, but only occasionally (once a month normally). Whereas alcohol is a depressant that makes me lose control, cannabis is an enjoyable experience that also inspires creativity. Rather than controlling me, drugs have made me feel more in control of myself as a result.
Reply 11
I'm not sure about the legalisation of harder drugs - i.e. crack/heroin because legalisation would make some people fall under the misconception that these drugs are safe and aren't harmful in any way. More people would be likely to try a certain highly addictive drug if it were legal, like the effects, and come back for more and more, throwing their money/life/friends away.
I have no problems with the legalisation of cannabis, or magic mushrooms (it was completely ****ing stupid of the government to make fresh shrooms class A last year), or even ecstasy. Looking at the death statistics of ecstasy it's one of the safest drugs out there - and even in many cases where death has arisen it's because the tablets are laced with other drugs as well.
As for what I've tried: alcohol (frequently) - I like being drunk and having no inhibitions, tobacco (occasionally) - like the taste, cannabis (once) - curiosity, didn't notice any effects though, probably because I was extremely drunk at the time?
I have no problems with the legalisation of cannabis, or magic mushrooms (it was completely ****ing stupid of the government to make fresh shrooms class A last year), or even ecstasy. Looking at the death statistics of ecstasy it's one of the safest drugs out there - and even in many cases where death has arisen it's because the tablets are laced with other drugs as well.
As for what I've tried: alcohol (frequently) - I like being drunk and having no inhibitions, tobacco (occasionally) - like the taste, cannabis (once) - curiosity, didn't notice any effects though, probably because I was extremely drunk at the time?
Reply 12
Phonicsdude
I have long been a supporter of drug use. I still don't believe it's immoral. I sitll believe most, if not all drugs should be made legal.
If people want to ruin their lives smoking crack then let them. Ensure only the gov sells it and sell it at a high enough price to provide a disincentive and but a low enough price to get rid of scummy drug dealers. The negative effects are financed by the money the gov. gains by selling it (at least). Note I am not saying that companies should sell it: the gov. only gets the tax from cigarettes whereas here it would get all the money on harder drugs.
Anyway. This isn't D&D. I could have put this in GD but the people who know the most about this and are most likely to have valid input hand about in here. So in the interests of vibrant, intelligent (!) discussion I put the thread in H&R.
OK. A month ago I had a heated argument about drugs with a friend which ended in him accusing me of touching "too close to home" and him leaving the pub. The subject was drug use. If as a young person one has fairly limited money, why would one spend the money on drugs? Drugs (Im including tobacco and alcohol but not things like sugar and caffeine in this argument) ruin your health in a number of ways? So why would you do this? Are there any positive aspects which outweigh the long term disadvantages (amnesia or whatever else)?
I was given the argument that it helps you to discover yourself. But whilst on drugs you experience another reality. An unreality. So you may well make lots of exciting voyages and feel very good, but unless you want to spend your whole time on drugs you are not really making any worthwhile discovery.
Drugs are fine to complement fun. A few pints down the pub or a spliff after a movie are fine. Fun will still be had and the nature of the fun is not changed but enhanced (at least in the eyes of those doing it - try being sober among a group of drunks/tipsy fairies. They are all having a laugh and you are pretty WTF?).
And herein is the argument against hallucinogenics (magic mushrooms and LSD) and most harder drugs (perhaps cocaine excepted). When on these sorts of drugs the drug itself is the fun. On ecstasy it is not dancing that is really the activity. It is the OMG LOOK HOW BRIGHT THE COLOURS ARE, HOW COOL IT FEELS TO BE TOUCHED etc. You could take ecstasy in prison and still have fun.
So yeh. Any comments on this (particularly from drug users - although all comments are of course welcome)?
Why do YOU take drugs (INCLUDING alcohol and cigarettes).
Prince Paul
If people want to ruin their lives smoking crack then let them. Ensure only the gov sells it and sell it at a high enough price to provide a disincentive and but a low enough price to get rid of scummy drug dealers. The negative effects are financed by the money the gov. gains by selling it (at least). Note I am not saying that companies should sell it: the gov. only gets the tax from cigarettes whereas here it would get all the money on harder drugs.
Anyway. This isn't D&D. I could have put this in GD but the people who know the most about this and are most likely to have valid input hand about in here. So in the interests of vibrant, intelligent (!) discussion I put the thread in H&R.
OK. A month ago I had a heated argument about drugs with a friend which ended in him accusing me of touching "too close to home" and him leaving the pub. The subject was drug use. If as a young person one has fairly limited money, why would one spend the money on drugs? Drugs (Im including tobacco and alcohol but not things like sugar and caffeine in this argument) ruin your health in a number of ways? So why would you do this? Are there any positive aspects which outweigh the long term disadvantages (amnesia or whatever else)?
I was given the argument that it helps you to discover yourself. But whilst on drugs you experience another reality. An unreality. So you may well make lots of exciting voyages and feel very good, but unless you want to spend your whole time on drugs you are not really making any worthwhile discovery.
Drugs are fine to complement fun. A few pints down the pub or a spliff after a movie are fine. Fun will still be had and the nature of the fun is not changed but enhanced (at least in the eyes of those doing it - try being sober among a group of drunks/tipsy fairies. They are all having a laugh and you are pretty WTF?).
And herein is the argument against hallucinogenics (magic mushrooms and LSD) and most harder drugs (perhaps cocaine excepted). When on these sorts of drugs the drug itself is the fun. On ecstasy it is not dancing that is really the activity. It is the OMG LOOK HOW BRIGHT THE COLOURS ARE, HOW COOL IT FEELS TO BE TOUCHED etc. You could take ecstasy in prison and still have fun.
So yeh. Any comments on this (particularly from drug users - although all comments are of course welcome)?
Why do YOU take drugs (INCLUDING alcohol and cigarettes).
Prince Paul
Reply 13
No wonder we have so many problems in the UK if there are people like you who think it is all fine! ur almost as mad as our government!
Obviously you have a narrow mind! Re think please!
Obviously you have a narrow mind! Re think please!
Reply 14
Phonicsdude
How can you justify giving yourself an early death? Do you not care?
Are there no other ways you could amuse yourself? Why not get a hobby which is less likely to damage your health?
This is not an attack. In the past year Ive done a lot of drugs.
Are there no other ways you could amuse yourself? Why not get a hobby which is less likely to damage your health?
This is not an attack. In the past year Ive done a lot of drugs.
hmmm i dunno. I guess I presume its not doing me that much damage (i smoke socially-maybe 1-2 rollies a week, drink too much- maybe once a week, take anything else on rare occasions- maybe once a month at very most.)
Maybe it will make my life shorter but the honest truth is i dont want a long life if its boring and i never discover anything about myself. I dont want to suddenly realise im 40 and regret not haivng a childhood and regret not having experiences that changed me as a person.
I do have hobbies (guitar and weights mainly) but they dont keep me happy socially. Smoking, drinking, recreational drug use are things i never do on my own. The memories I really cherish are those ive shared with other people not the ones i made on my own siting at home. I dont know if this means im a weak person mentally but i find it hard to have fun and be myself completely if i dont drink.
Ill probably grow up some time in the next 10 years but until then theres a lot i still need to discover. Anyway, ive got everything under control: Love my friends and family, im healthy, A-levels went amazingly, going to a decent uni, futures looking bright
Reply 15
That is such an attention seeking and depressed reply!
Someone who says they never discover anything proberly are not trying hard enough!
Cheer up, get focussed and go out there and achieve something! Dont give up as thats the easy way out!
Drugs is a NONO so sort that out for a start, as it is proven that a huge number of drug takers develop a mental problem later in life!
Someone who says they never discover anything proberly are not trying hard enough!
Cheer up, get focussed and go out there and achieve something! Dont give up as thats the easy way out!
Drugs is a NONO so sort that out for a start, as it is proven that a huge number of drug takers develop a mental problem later in life!
Reply 16
If you want to explore self discovery and expand your mind then read, travel, put yourself in situations where you are testing yourself.
Taking drugs isnt going to expand your mind all it is is a lazy and easy way of altering chemicals in your brain and making you look oh so cool and rebellious because your swallowing/smoking/snorting a substance.
One common trait running through stoners and cokeheads is that they are all incredibly self obsessed and their lives revolve around funding, taking and justifying their favourite little substance instead of doing anything useful with their lives or anything which will benefit anybody other than themselves.
Taking drugs isnt going to expand your mind all it is is a lazy and easy way of altering chemicals in your brain and making you look oh so cool and rebellious because your swallowing/smoking/snorting a substance.
One common trait running through stoners and cokeheads is that they are all incredibly self obsessed and their lives revolve around funding, taking and justifying their favourite little substance instead of doing anything useful with their lives or anything which will benefit anybody other than themselves.
Reply 17
Anonymous
That is such an attention seeking and depressed reply!
Someone who says they never discover anything proberly are not trying hard enough!
Cheer up, get focussed and go out there and achieve something! Dont give up as thats the easy way out!
Drugs is a NONO so sort that out for a start, as it is proven that a huge number of drug takers develop a mental problem later in life!
Someone who says they never discover anything proberly are not trying hard enough!
Cheer up, get focussed and go out there and achieve something! Dont give up as thats the easy way out!
Drugs is a NONO so sort that out for a start, as it is proven that a huge number of drug takers develop a mental problem later in life!
This is one of the worst posts I've ever seen. You're lucky you went anonymous.
Reply 18
They should legalise cannabis, of course (Holland is all the better for it.) Its only people who have never had any experience with it that think its a horror drug that ruins peoples lives.
There are good points and bad points to weed; as with all drugs. The trick is making an informed decision and looking at it realistically. IF Drugs were legal, the public would be given a more accurate view of them, and they could be legeslated against so that there were minimum ages.
Reply 19
If you want to explore self discovery and expand your mind then read, travel, put yourself in situations where you are testing yourself.
Absolutley. Meditation will also do far more to expand your conciousness than any drug. I started doing it dailly when i gave up all ilegal drugs, and it has helped me more than anything.
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