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Reply 20
Anonymous
No wonder we have so many problems in the UK if there are people like you who think it is all fine! ur almost as mad as our government!
Obviously you have a narrow mind! Re think please!
Obviously you have a narrow mind! Re think please!
Look up the word Irony...then report back for some cussing out
Reply 21
11
Smoke weed everyday....
Reply 22
Anonymous
That is such an attention seeking and depressed reply!
Someone who says they never discover anything proberly are not trying hard enough!
Cheer up, get focussed and go out there and achieve something! Dont give up as thats the easy way out!
Drugs is a NONO so sort that out for a start, as it is proven that a huge number of drug takers develop a mental problem later in life!
Someone who says they never discover anything proberly are not trying hard enough!
Cheer up, get focussed and go out there and achieve something! Dont give up as thats the easy way out!
Drugs is a NONO so sort that out for a start, as it is proven that a huge number of drug takers develop a mental problem later in life!
Its also proven alot of them don't lol, by your own logic.
Its not the only route to discovery, but seriously, you do realise somethings sometimes.
Reply 23
Anonymous
That is such an attention seeking and depressed reply!
Someone who says they never discover anything proberly are not trying hard enough!
Cheer up, get focussed and go out there and achieve something! Dont give up as thats the easy way out!
Drugs is a NONO so sort that out for a start, as it is proven that a huge number of drug takers develop a mental problem later in life!
Someone who says they never discover anything proberly are not trying hard enough!
Cheer up, get focussed and go out there and achieve something! Dont give up as thats the easy way out!
Drugs is a NONO so sort that out for a start, as it is proven that a huge number of drug takers develop a mental problem later in life!
was that directed at me? lol
Look im not attention seeking, i was just discussing something with Phonics. And im depressed am i? how did you come to that conclusion. ffs read the last line of my post!
Im not saying you cant have an interesting life and discover things about yourself without taking drugs (legal or illegal.) Just most of the interesting, intelligent (not necassarily academically) and passionate people i know who are into music, socialising, art etc arent straight-heads. The people who never go out, never drink and are scared to even consider drugs are often quite boring and emotionless. (Having said that my best friend doesnt drink or smoke
)haha I do 'read' and i do take my school work seriously (i worked my ass off this year and i got 3 As (i hope
) thankyou very much!) It is possible to achieve things and have a sense of humour, sense of adventure outside of school/work. You shouldnt believe everything your school teachers tell you about drugs. Make your own decisions based on life experienceReply 24
11
Goodie, a fight! Lemme get my Hasish..
Reply 25
tehjonny
Look up the word Irony...then report back for some cussing out
haha yes. Who is it thats really being narrowminded here anon?
Reply 26
Just most of the interesting, intelligent (not necassarily academically) and passionate people i know who are into music, socialising, art etc arent straight-heads.
Reply 27
wave_o_mutilation
definatley. I think thats more about having an open mind. People with open minds are generally into cooler music, and are able to have interesting conversations. They arn't neccessarily drug-takers, but most drug takers are open minded - because there more inclined to have an exiting life and experience new things.
I completely agree with you! I take drugs quite frequently, but have an offer to read history at Oxford in October. Smoking a lot of weed doesn't necessarily make you worse academically. Also agreed - the majority of the most interesting people I know are drug users to some extent.
Reply 28
i smoke tobacco, and i drink, and 2/3 years ago i was very heavily into skunk.
i was like 15 when i started smoking skunk, sure it was great fun and etc, and the reason i did get into it was at first experimentation, and then having a boyfreind who was heavily into it and so whenever we were together out it came, also at that point i had some close freinds with whom doing this was the funniest thing ever.
it ****ed me up, i wont lie, i flopped my GCSE's (i think they were pathetic, mainly because i know im not an idiot) that was a kick up the backside, and having split up with the guy and gotten rid of those freinds ive sorted myself out with good A levels and an offer from a good university.
i dont regret all of the smoking as a kid, i think without it i might have slipped now, during more important exams or i would never learnt my way around it, now i still smoke it, i just know my limits, and what i want and dont. the cigarettes and alcohol i dont see as taboo either.
ive never tried anything stronger than skunk, and never want to, its a personal choice, maybe i dont trust myself not to get obsessive with it as i did when i was younger with skunk. dont know...
i think it depends very much on the person that you are, i dont think that drugs = a bad life of crime etc etc, everything in moderation babycakes!
i was like 15 when i started smoking skunk, sure it was great fun and etc, and the reason i did get into it was at first experimentation, and then having a boyfreind who was heavily into it and so whenever we were together out it came, also at that point i had some close freinds with whom doing this was the funniest thing ever.
it ****ed me up, i wont lie, i flopped my GCSE's (i think they were pathetic, mainly because i know im not an idiot) that was a kick up the backside, and having split up with the guy and gotten rid of those freinds ive sorted myself out with good A levels and an offer from a good university.
i dont regret all of the smoking as a kid, i think without it i might have slipped now, during more important exams or i would never learnt my way around it, now i still smoke it, i just know my limits, and what i want and dont. the cigarettes and alcohol i dont see as taboo either.
ive never tried anything stronger than skunk, and never want to, its a personal choice, maybe i dont trust myself not to get obsessive with it as i did when i was younger with skunk. dont know...
i think it depends very much on the person that you are, i dont think that drugs = a bad life of crime etc etc, everything in moderation babycakes!
Reply 29
Phonicsdude
I have long been a supporter of drug use. I still don't believe it's immoral. I sitll believe most, if not all drugs should be made legal.
If people want to ruin their lives smoking crack then let them. Ensure only the gov sells it and sell it at a high enough price to provide a disincentive and but a low enough price to get rid of scummy drug dealers. The negative effects are financed by the money the gov. gains by selling it (at least). Note I am not saying that companies should sell it: the gov. only gets the tax from cigarettes whereas here it would get all the money on harder drugs.
Anyway. This isn't D&D. I could have put this in GD but the people who know the most about this and are most likely to have valid input hand about in here. So in the interests of vibrant, intelligent (!) discussion I put the thread in H&R.
OK. A month ago I had a heated argument about drugs with a friend which ended in him accusing me of touching "too close to home" and him leaving the pub. The subject was drug use. If as a young person one has fairly limited money, why would one spend the money on drugs? Drugs (Im including tobacco and alcohol but not things like sugar and caffeine in this argument) ruin your health in a number of ways? So why would you do this? Are there any positive aspects which outweigh the long term disadvantages (amnesia or whatever else)?
I was given the argument that it helps you to discover yourself. But whilst on drugs you experience another reality. An unreality. So you may well make lots of exciting voyages and feel very good, but unless you want to spend your whole time on drugs you are not really making any worthwhile discovery.
Drugs are fine to complement fun. A few pints down the pub or a spliff after a movie are fine. Fun will still be had and the nature of the fun is not changed but enhanced (at least in the eyes of those doing it - try being sober among a group of drunks/tipsy fairies. They are all having a laugh and you are pretty WTF?).
And herein is the argument against hallucinogenics (magic mushrooms and LSD) and most harder drugs (perhaps cocaine excepted). When on these sorts of drugs the drug itself is the fun. On ecstasy it is not dancing that is really the activity. It is the OMG LOOK HOW BRIGHT THE COLOURS ARE, HOW COOL IT FEELS TO BE TOUCHED etc. You could take ecstasy in prison and still have fun.
So yeh. Any comments on this (particularly from drug users - although all comments are of course welcome)?
Why do YOU take drugs (INCLUDING alcohol and cigarettes).
Prince Paul
If people want to ruin their lives smoking crack then let them. Ensure only the gov sells it and sell it at a high enough price to provide a disincentive and but a low enough price to get rid of scummy drug dealers. The negative effects are financed by the money the gov. gains by selling it (at least). Note I am not saying that companies should sell it: the gov. only gets the tax from cigarettes whereas here it would get all the money on harder drugs.
Anyway. This isn't D&D. I could have put this in GD but the people who know the most about this and are most likely to have valid input hand about in here. So in the interests of vibrant, intelligent (!) discussion I put the thread in H&R.
OK. A month ago I had a heated argument about drugs with a friend which ended in him accusing me of touching "too close to home" and him leaving the pub. The subject was drug use. If as a young person one has fairly limited money, why would one spend the money on drugs? Drugs (Im including tobacco and alcohol but not things like sugar and caffeine in this argument) ruin your health in a number of ways? So why would you do this? Are there any positive aspects which outweigh the long term disadvantages (amnesia or whatever else)?
I was given the argument that it helps you to discover yourself. But whilst on drugs you experience another reality. An unreality. So you may well make lots of exciting voyages and feel very good, but unless you want to spend your whole time on drugs you are not really making any worthwhile discovery.
Drugs are fine to complement fun. A few pints down the pub or a spliff after a movie are fine. Fun will still be had and the nature of the fun is not changed but enhanced (at least in the eyes of those doing it - try being sober among a group of drunks/tipsy fairies. They are all having a laugh and you are pretty WTF?).
And herein is the argument against hallucinogenics (magic mushrooms and LSD) and most harder drugs (perhaps cocaine excepted). When on these sorts of drugs the drug itself is the fun. On ecstasy it is not dancing that is really the activity. It is the OMG LOOK HOW BRIGHT THE COLOURS ARE, HOW COOL IT FEELS TO BE TOUCHED etc. You could take ecstasy in prison and still have fun.
So yeh. Any comments on this (particularly from drug users - although all comments are of course welcome)?
Why do YOU take drugs (INCLUDING alcohol and cigarettes).
Prince Paul
That's fair enough. But if you're talking about freedom of choice, where do you draw the line? Would you Legalise murder, simply because there are people who want to know what it feels like to kill?
And the whole 'drugs complement fun' argument doesn't hold water, I'm afraid.
Reply 30
Why do I take drugs?
1) I enjoy it. I feel it enhances my evening without being detrimental to anyone else. I don't see why I shouldn't chose to do something I enjoy as long as it is not harming anyone (other than potentially myself). I am sensible with my drug use, know my limits and have done a lot of research.
2) I believe it can allow you to look at things in a new way. Sure this may just be stoned giggling at the tv sometimes, but you can also get a real insight into the people you are with when you are on drugs (especially ecstasy). Sharing a trip with someone can be an incredibly bonding experience.
3) Being high is a feeling unlike any other. You really can't imagine what it is like to be tripping on acid, high on E or totally baked until you have tried it. I believe life is all about collecting experiences. Some of these will be positive, some negative, you learn from them all. The last thing I'd want is to look back on my life and realise there are tons of things I wanted to try but never did. Drug have been something I became very aware of and interested in during the past few years, so I have experimented...a lot.
4) That period of time between downing your pill or popping a tab and the effects beginning. That bit of time is almost electric. You are excited, giddy and anticipating the evening ahead. It does almost feel like there a wave of excitement that spreads through your body. Anyone who has taken drugs will know how enjoyable this time is.
1) I enjoy it. I feel it enhances my evening without being detrimental to anyone else. I don't see why I shouldn't chose to do something I enjoy as long as it is not harming anyone (other than potentially myself). I am sensible with my drug use, know my limits and have done a lot of research.
2) I believe it can allow you to look at things in a new way. Sure this may just be stoned giggling at the tv sometimes, but you can also get a real insight into the people you are with when you are on drugs (especially ecstasy). Sharing a trip with someone can be an incredibly bonding experience.
3) Being high is a feeling unlike any other. You really can't imagine what it is like to be tripping on acid, high on E or totally baked until you have tried it. I believe life is all about collecting experiences. Some of these will be positive, some negative, you learn from them all. The last thing I'd want is to look back on my life and realise there are tons of things I wanted to try but never did. Drug have been something I became very aware of and interested in during the past few years, so I have experimented...a lot.
4) That period of time between downing your pill or popping a tab and the effects beginning. That bit of time is almost electric. You are excited, giddy and anticipating the evening ahead. It does almost feel like there a wave of excitement that spreads through your body. Anyone who has taken drugs will know how enjoyable this time is.
Reply 31
jeffers
That's fair enough. But if you're talking about freedom of choice, where do you draw the line? Would you Legalise murder, simply because there are people who want to know what it feels like to kill?
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Murder is a completely different issue in that it harms another person. if we were to remove the nanny state, as legalising drugs is a step towards, the laws which are left follow the pattern that 'anyone can do whatever they want as long as this does not harm any other person'. as ones personal drug use does not harm others directly then its very differnt to one wanting to kill some one.
Reply 32
softer drugs are fine but harder drugs lead to increased crime, huge costs to the NHS - it is impossible for the gov't to work out how much tax revenues need to be raised to fund people who take the drugs.
this argument has been about for yonks though
this argument has been about for yonks though
Reply 33
Does anyone know why magic mushrooms are now Class A? I mean, why?! How are naturally-growing mushrooms as dangerous as heroin? They were previously legal for centuries and never caused any harm...
Reply 34
Peter_The_Great
Does anyone know why magic mushrooms are now Class A?
Reply 35
Rosetinten, how "strong" shrooms are depends on the type of shrooms and dose. Shrooms can really screw up your mind for the rest of your life.
I think that many drugs should be legalized. But by "legalized" I don't necesserily mean "available to the general public to go and buy in a local store".
Ethanol ('alcohol') is more physically harmfull than most drugs (like THC), while magic mushrooms (psilocybin/psilocin) have no recorded physical side-effects at all, similarly to LSD. No fuss about it, LSD causes a state of mind which some people are not responsible to handle - due to lowering of serotonin in the brain when taking LSD, some people have actually commited suicide when tripping. It's long discussion indeed =) You would have to include social and economic factors as well - not just the drug effects. One of the world's most potent drugs Salvia Sativa is legal in UK.
Of course, you would have to define the concept "drug" itself. All drugs have positive and negative effects attached to them and I think is up to the individual to decide whether there's more positive than negative.
I think that many drugs should be legalized. But by "legalized" I don't necesserily mean "available to the general public to go and buy in a local store".
Ethanol ('alcohol') is more physically harmfull than most drugs (like THC), while magic mushrooms (psilocybin/psilocin) have no recorded physical side-effects at all, similarly to LSD. No fuss about it, LSD causes a state of mind which some people are not responsible to handle - due to lowering of serotonin in the brain when taking LSD, some people have actually commited suicide when tripping. It's long discussion indeed =) You would have to include social and economic factors as well - not just the drug effects. One of the world's most potent drugs Salvia Sativa is legal in UK.
Of course, you would have to define the concept "drug" itself. All drugs have positive and negative effects attached to them and I think is up to the individual to decide whether there's more positive than negative.
Reply 36
Softer drugs in time lead onto harder drugs! Its a slippery slope once you start!
Do be so silly as to start, there is nothing clever about it, most 'normal' people you meet will think very little of you!
Think!
Do be so silly as to start, there is nothing clever about it, most 'normal' people you meet will think very little of you!
Think!
Reply 37
the people on her probably do think. ive though very hard about what drugs i am willing to try or use habitually, the soft drug that i use will never lead to a harder drug. what is more likely is that if some1 starts using drugs bcz of peer pressure then it can b a slippery slope but ne1 who is using drugs having thought about it will probably go no further than they are comfortable with.
Reply 38
I appreciate what you say, but you guys cant all deny it, its pretty stupid! Im sure a very large percentage of you will look back and think how foolish!
In terms of making drugs legal, that is a very slippery slope, now that they have done one... they will make more Class C, bonkers!
In terms of making drugs legal, that is a very slippery slope, now that they have done one... they will make more Class C, bonkers!
Reply 39
actually i can deny that its pretty stupid, and as i come from a family have all indulged my experience of the world is of people who havnt looked back and thought how foolish but rather people who look back and say that was a part of my life that has made me me and so much the better for it.
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