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Hey everyone, I'm a first year Economics student.

As part of one of my modules my University runs this online virtual economy game. The login to the game was extremely flawed as all you needed was a uni username and an email both of which was available to everyone so I was curious as to whether it would be possible to get into someone else's account.

Yes in hindsight I can see how incredibly stupid and foolish this was.

But I've always been overly curious and I just wanted to find out if it was possible if I could do it, so on the last day the virtual economy was open I tried and succeeded to get into someone elses account. I just picked a name at random. Think I bought like 4 things maybe and then closed it, as I started to realise it wasn't a good idea to be doing this.

The monday after this happened, the lecturer said there had been cheating, and theft of identities, and that he was going to get to the bottom of it. However whenever speaking about this he always refers to multiple students taking multiple Ids, not just 1 student logging in for 30 seconds, so I'm really not sure if its even me he's talking about, it seems like it was other people on a much larger scale that he's investigating. He even mentioned one time something about collusion going on.

After 3 weeks he finally published the results, and said he'd finally managed to get a log, of all the individuals concerned and was going to take it to the University formal hearing, but said if people come forward and basically confess he will recommend a more lenient punishment and that the punishment can range from a simple deduction in marks to outright expulsion.

So I'm really at a loss for what to do, I don't know if I've committed the offence he is talking about or if he's talking about other people. I don't want to come forward and get the rap for the whole thing, and I'm not even sure if I'm on his list of individuals, I could confess even though I'm in the clear. But at the same time I really don't want to get expelled, that would be the end of my life as far as I'm concerned.

Please help me, advise me, I really don't have anyone to talk about it, and I'm really really scared.
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I would just stay silent and play dumb if any evidence comes up

Did you not spoof your IP or anything before doing it ?
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Better to own up imho. At least if it's only a game then it's not like you spent real money or anything, and if it's affected the person whose name you used, then any bad effects on their record can be rectified.
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From the sounds of it, either:

A - You were in the wrong, he has your name on that log, it's in your interest to confess in the hope of lenience.

B - You weren't in the wrong, he doesn't have your name on that log, if you confess it doesn't matter because you weren't in the wrong.

So there doesn't seem to be downside to confessing here, where as not confessing possibly ends up with you in greater trouble than if you did confess.
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Never admit to it

if you do you are screwed basically because they don't care

if you don't at least you have the chance of them not knowing.
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I would just stay silent and play dumb if any evidence comes up

Did you not spoof your IP or anything before doing it ?
No I'm not a technical genius and have no idea how to hide my IP.

At the time in my mind I wasn't doing anything nefarious either, I was just inquisitive and curious and trying to see if it would work. I really regret it now, my whole University future, my whole future in fact, could be in jeopardy all for 30 seconds of trying to satisfy my curiosity
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Better to own up imho. At least if it's only a game then it's not like you spent real money or anything, and if it's affected the person whose name you used, then any bad effects on their record can be rectified.
It's a game but it counts as 10% of our mark for this particular module.
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Okay, firstly, just look

What is the professor trying to achieve? He's trying to get people to confess, yes?

Why? Is it because he wants to be nice to the culprits by giving them a chance to confess then go easy on them? probably not.
I say, like in college, or highschool, etc. when something like this happens, the authoritative figure says this for one purpose:

They're bluffing.

He might have a few names of people that are likely to be involved, but at the end of the day how can he get 100% proof? and how can he get most of the people involved?

Only if people admit to it.

I agree with tonberry, just stay silent..

Oh and in the future don't do anything like this again lol
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From the sounds of it, either:

A - You were in the wrong, he has your name on that log, it's in your interest to confess in the hope of lenience.

B - You weren't in the wrong, he doesn't have your name on that log, if you confess it doesn't matter because you weren't in the wrong.

So there doesn't seem to be downside to confessing here, where as not confessing possibly ends up with you in greater trouble than if you did confess.
In hindsight I accept I am in the wrong, I know that, it's whether I am the case he is referring to or whether he's actually after other people.

I'm really torn as to whether to email him and confess or not. The possible downsides of confessing are that the panel expel me anyway under a trumped up charge of Gross Misconduct or something.
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Perhaps I'm wrong but I would keep my mouth shut.

It does not sound like you he is referring to, the problem seems like much larger scale stuff.

To be honest if there is hacking into other peoples accounts going on, then any savvy hacker (sorry!) would probably use someone else's laptop so it didnt show as them anyway.

Perhaps I'm a bad girl but I would stay schtum and deny everything, too much at stake to risk confessing to something he doesn't necessarily even know about.
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How did you access the game? was it at uni through your own personal log on? if so then it can easily be traced back to you.

If it was outside of university then if they were really that bothered they could trace your IP address but there's no proof that it was you, it could have been a house mate of yours etc.
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Okay, firstly, just look

What is the professor trying to achieve? He's trying to get people to confess, yes?

Why? Is it because he wants to be nice to the culprits by giving them a chance to confess then go easy on them? probably not.
I say, like in college, or highschool, etc. when something like this happens, the authoritative figure says this for one purpose:

They're bluffing.

He might have a few names of people that are likely to be involved, but at the end of the day how can he get 100% proof? and how can he get most of the people involved?

Only if people admit to it.

I agree with tonberry, just stay silent..

Oh and in the future don't do anything like this again lol
I did have that thought to that he could be bluffing. He even said in the email "
At this stage, if you know anything about what happened, please let me know, and if you are one of the guilty students, I will take a more lenient stance when I hand over my recommendations if you decide to come and see me to explain everything that happened.
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and I thought why do you want information about what happened and people to step forward if you supposedly already have this log telling you everything?
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I did have that thought to that he could be bluffing. He even said in the email ""

and I thought why do you want information about what happened and people to step forward if you supposedly already have this log telling you everything?

Exactly!

obviously there may be a chance he actually does have your name on a list (it's not completely impossible) but the chance of it is so low I personally think you're better off staying quiet..

(if it does backfire you can't come and hunt me down though)

if you confess you'll almost definitely get into trouble
if you stay quiet there's a very high chance you'll get off squat free
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(Original post by Aleon)
Hey everyone, I'm a first year Economics student.

As part of one of my modules my University runs this online virtual economy game. The login to the game was extremely flawed as all you needed was a uni username and an email both of which was available to everyone so I was curious as to whether it would be possible to get into someone else's account.

Yes in hindsight I can see how incredibly stupid and foolish this was.

But I've always been overly curious and I just wanted to find out if it was possible if I could do it, so on the last day the virtual economy was open I tried and succeeded to get into someone elses account. I just picked a name at random. Think I bought like 4 things maybe and then closed it, as I started to realise it wasn't a good idea to be doing this.

The monday after this happened, the lecturer said there had been cheating, and theft of identities, and that he was going to get to the bottom of it. However whenever speaking about this he always refers to multiple students taking multiple Ids, not just 1 student logging in for 30 seconds, so I'm really not sure if its even me he's talking about, it seems like it was other people on a much larger scale that he's investigating. He even mentioned one time something about collusion going on.

After 3 weeks he finally published the results, and said he'd finally managed to get a log, of all the individuals concerned and was going to take it to the University formal hearing, but said if people come forward and basically confess he will recommend a more lenient punishment and that the punishment can range from a simple deduction in marks to outright expulsion.

So I'm really at a loss for what to do, I don't know if I've committed the offence he is talking about or if he's talking about other people. I don't want to come forward and get the rap for the whole thing, and I'm not even sure if I'm on his list of individuals, I could confess even though I'm in the clear. But at the same time I really don't want to get expelled, that would be the end of my life as far as I'm concerned.

Please help me, advise me, I really don't have anyone to talk about it, and I'm really really scared.
Calm down, tell them what you have told us and apologise greatly
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I feel the Professor is Bluffing to make students confess. Don't confess and as you said there are many students involved so wait how things unfold. The professor can't be 100% sure even if he's having any names. Try being Normal if anything related to this comes up !

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Calm down, tell them what you have told us and apologise greatly
But I'm worried that they are lying about the leniency thing, or that even if he does stay true to his word and they recommend being lenient the panel will still expel me.

I remember at the start of the year in one of those introductory talks, another guy from the Uni was boasting how strict the rules were and told us about a girl who accidentally took her phone into an exam with her, and even though the panel believed her that it was an accident, they still failed her for all exams with no chance of a resit, in effect expelling her as she'd technically "failed" the year and was unable to resit.
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But I'm worried that they are lying about the leniency thing, or that even if he does stay true to his word and they recommend being lenient the panel will still expel me.

I remember at the start of the year in one of those introductory talks, another guy from the Uni was boasting how strict the rules were and told us about a girl who accidentally took her phone into an exam with her, and even though the panel believed her that it was an accident, they still failed her for all exams with no chance of a resit, in effect expelling her as she'd technically "failed" the year and was unable to resit.
Talk about it to a tutor, one to one or through an anon service at uni
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so you put it on student room?
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I know EXACTLY who did this, but I want whoever it was to come forward and confess to me anyway. I just want to reiterate, I DEFINITELY know who is responsible, this is definitely not a bluff. I totally already know, I just always like to play this seemingly stupid game.
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Thank you for all the advice guys, guess I'm just gonna keep quiet and hope upon hope that he's bluffing
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