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Death Penalty

Do you believe in the Death Penalty for serious offenders
Only for offenders like those in the Lee Rigby trial where its 100% obvious that they did it. In 99% of cases I'd say no due to their always being some sort of doubt. In specialist cases like that one then yes it should be administered.
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Original post by LeoLilley
Do you believe in the Death Penalty for serious offenders


No. There's no evidence to suggest it would act as a greater deterrent than a life sentence and I don't believe in punishment for punishments sake.
I don't believe in the death penalty as no system of justice is 100% perfect and innocent people would be hanged. There have been many miscarriages of justice and releasing an innocent person to have some of their life as a free person is better than none at all.
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Original post by Mickey O'Neil
Only for offenders like those in the Lee Rigby trial where its 100% obvious that they did it. In 99% of cases I'd say no due to their always being some sort of doubt. In specialist cases like that one then yes it should be administered.


Pretty much this

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No. There's no evidence to suggest it would act as a greater deterrent than a life sentence and I don't believe in punishment for punishments sake.

I agree we need to improve society and peoples way they act and prevent people carrying out such deeds
No. Echo what has been said.
No. How can a society say that murder is wrong, and then punish those who murder my murdering them? If the death penalty exists, then arguably society is no better than the people whom they are sentencing.
Yes. Kill the ****ers
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No. How can a society say that murder is wrong, and then punish those who murder my murdering them? If the death penalty exists, then arguably society is no better than the people whom they are sentencing.

I agree
I prefer them to stay in jail for the rest of their life enduring emotional pain and not having any freedom than hv an easy way out
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Thanks for all your comments I was shocked to read & learn about current deaths by execution in US by injection
and wanted views of this practice it takes thirty years in jail sometimes to be on death row
I don't think anyone has the right to deprive the other of life. Murderers can be locked up forever, but they don't deserve to die just because their victims did.
Original post by Mickey O'Neil
Only for offenders like those in the Lee Rigby trial where its 100% obvious that they did it. In 99% of cases I'd say no due to their always being some sort of doubt. In specialist cases like that one then yes it should be administered.


But this is the real world! Nothing is ever 100% certain to have happened. There is always a certain extent of doubt. What makes something 100% certain?
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But this is the real world! Nothing is ever 100% certain to have happened. There is always a certain extent of doubt. What makes something 100% certain?


Are you actually being serious? Most people saw it with their own eyes. The killer wanted you to see and wanted you to know. Its on camera and he has not denied it at all and has admitted to killing Lee Rigby. Of course it happened.

Please explain, given all of the evidence, how its not a certainty? Your argument has about as much validity as stating 'Liverpool didn't win the Champions League in 2005'. Everyone saw that happen too. There's no doubt with this case at all which is what makes it so unique compared to most.
Don't forget the economic dimension of this because it's taxpayer money that keeps offenders in prison.
Imagine the hypothetical situation where your daughter gets raped, torchured, murdered, and quartered, and then on top of that you have to pay money to keep this human in prison for the rest of his life.
It's a waste of money and humanitarian sympathy on reprobates like this.
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Original post by Mickey O'Neil
Are you actually being serious? Most people saw it with their own eyes. The killer wanted you to see and wanted you to know. Its on camera and he has not denied it at all and has admitted to killing Lee Rigby. Of course it happened.

Please explain, given all of the evidence, how its not a certainty? Your argument has about as much validity as stating 'Liverpool didn't win the Champions League in 2005'. Everyone saw that happen too. There's no doubt with this case at all which is what makes it so unique compared to most.


Okay - so in that particular case, with which I was unfamiliar, we can be 100% certain of what happened. My point is, if we are going to institute the death penalty, but only for cases where it is 100% certain what happened, how do we define "100% certain"? I'm sure there are plenty of cases that are pretty damn certain, but which could be judged to be 100% certain by some people and not by others. Where do we draw the line?
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Okay - so in that particular case, with which I was unfamiliar, we can be 100% certain of what happened. My point is, if we are going to institute the death penalty, but only for cases where it is 100% certain what happened, how do we define "100% certain"? I'm sure there are plenty of cases that are pretty damn certain, but which could be judged to be 100% certain by some people and not by others. Where do we draw the line?


Its quite obvious to draw the line when there's a stack of evidence plus admission of guilt compared to one where there's reasonable doubt. It's really not that had to distinguish between the two. If there is any hint of doubt 99.9% then its not 100% so therefore the death penalty should not be administered.

Most cases are clear enough. Raoul Moat for example, had he been caught, should have had the death penalty imo. It was quite obvious what he did.

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