Time Magazine - "It's Time To End 'Rape Culture' Hysteria" Watch

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Good article: http://time.com/30545/its-time-to-en...ture-hysteria/

It's good to see some common sense reach the mainstream. Here are some of the paragraphs:

Tolerance for rape? Rape is a horrific crime and rapists are despised. We have strict laws that Americans want to see enforced. Though rape is certainly a serious problem, there’s no evidence that it’s considered a cultural norm. Twenty-first century America does not have a rape culture; what we have is an out-of-control lobby leading the public and our educational and political leaders down the wrong path. Rape culture theory is doing little to help victims, but its power to poison the minds of young women and lead to hostile environments for innocent males is immense.

On college campuses, obsession with eliminating “rape culture” has led to censorship and hysteria.
(Original post by "Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN))
In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campus. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important not to lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime.
RAINN is especially critical of the idea that we need to focus on teaching men not to rape — the hallmark of rape culture activism. Since rape exists because our culture condones and normalizes it, activists say, we can end the epidemic of sexual violence only by teaching boys not to rape.

No one would deny that we should teach boys to respect women. But by and large, this is already happening. By the time men reach college, RAINN explains, “most students have been exposed to 18 years of prevention messages, in one form or another.” The vast majority of men absorbs these messages and views rape as the horrific crime that it is. So efforts to address rape need to focus on the very small portion of the population that “has proven itself immune to years of prevention messages.” They should not vilify the average guy.

By blaming so-called rape culture, we implicate all men in a social atrocity, trivialize the experiences of survivors, and deflect blame from the rapists truly responsible for sexual violence. RAINN explains that the trend of focusing on rape culture “has the paradoxical effect of making it harder to stop sexual violence, since it removes the focus from the individual at fault, and seemingly mitigates personal responsibility for his or her own actions.”
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Couldn't agree more.
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This is a good article but I feel like this is pretty obvious stuff to anyone who isn't completely unintelligent.

People who believe there is a 'rape culture' are the kind of people who get their news forwarded to them in emails.
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I don't like the term "rape culture". I think it's unacceptabley sensationalist, and doesn't reflect the attitude towards rape in western society. It's a little offensive to men. People like to **** off "lad culture", and there are legitimate complaints, but I was pretty laddy at one point, to equate someone to a rapist because they get drunk and tell dodgey jokes is so unfair.

What I do think is important, is that we recognise there is a grey area. I've only recently realised the importance of this. A lot of people say "there must be consent. It's simple, no argument, nothing more needed".

Even being on this forum, you will see a lot of people who agree with the idea that if a women wears revealing clothing, she's "asking for it". This relates to the idea of what I call "Hollywood rape"- bad men raping beautiful women because they're so sexy, they lose self control. That isn't a common form of rape at all.
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Here's the problem. Sociologists are, usually, academic women. These women want to use the frameworks and tools of sociology to understand and stop rape, something which particularly concerns them as women. And thus, the concept of rape culture was born. I wonder, by comparison, how many economists spend time thinking up theories about rape?

As usual, the sociologists undervalue the importance of psychology and economics, and therefore come up with a faulty model of reality.
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I don't think I ever laughed at a rape joke until I realised it pissed off feminists so much. A lot of feminists in Western society are total hypocrites and are making it far worse for women. (Obviously women's rights campaigners, the people who campaign for equal pay and an end to developing world discrimination and violence, are not the same as the feminists I'm talking about.)

The most hilariously stupid argument they come out with is 'don't ask women not to wear skimpy clothing, ask men not to rape.' As if this was some major milestone in criminological thought.

'Damn. We never thought of that. All this time we were encouraging men to rape. Well, we'd better ask them to stop raping now.'

Because as everyone knows, you can ask women to act in a safe manner OR campaign for an end to violent pornography and sexist attitudes in men, but not both.
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Feminists should try travelling to few of the more disfunctional sub-Saharan African countries or parts of South Asia, before they even attempt to claim that a "rape culture" exists in the West.
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There is a rape culture in this country.
Earlier in the week there was a case discussed on here and elsewhere of an 8 yr old child raped 50 times over a two year period by a teenager.
These boards, and others were full of comments that excused the rapist or played down the harm done to the child. There were even people joking about it.
This is the definition of a rape culture for me.

Ofcourse the difference is that in this case it was
a male child raped 50 times by a female rapist. Thats why they were playing it down.
If an 8 yr old girl had been raped there would have been none of these comments. In fact had any such comments been posted they would have been quite rightly slaughtered.
The very fact that a feminist will post very soon to tell me that a woman cant rape a boy only confirming the sexist nature of the law in this country.
If a man, woman boy or girl was raped by a man, this nonsense would never stand. Likewise if a woman raped another women or a little girl. It would be condemnations all round.
Yet a woman rapes a male child and rape culture is there in black and white for all to see.
So yes there is a rape culture , and it is young boys that are the targets of it.
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(Original post by caravaggio2)
There is a rape culture in this country.
Earlier in the week there was a case discussed on here and elsewhere of an 8 yr old child raped 50 times over a two year period by a teenager.
These boards, and others were full of comments that excused the rapist or played down the harm done to the child. There were even people joking about it.
This is the definition of a rape culture for me.

Ofcourse the difference is that in this case it was
a male child raped 50 times by a female rapist. Thats why they were playing it down.
If an 8 yr old girl had been raped there would have been none of these comments. In fact had any such comments been posted they would have been quite rightly slaughtered.
The very fact that a feminist will post very soon to tell me that a woman cant rape a boy only confirming the sexist nature of the law in this country.
If a man, woman boy or girl was raped by a man, this nonsense would never stand. Likewise if a woman raped another women or a little girl. It would be condemnations all round.
Yet a woman rapes a male child and rape culture is there in black and white for all to see.
So yes there is a rape culture , and it is young boys that are the targets of it.
Again, while the point is reasonable generally, the use of the term "culture" here is shocking. Surely to be part of our culture, it would have to be at least somewhat common? Using silly hyperbolic terms doesn't help discussion of an issue.

In addition, I've looked up the case you're talking about and threads aren't "full of" comments defending the woman, they're full of comments hating on her, with a small minority of trolls/idiots defending her. You're reading what you want to read.
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(Original post by caravaggio2)
There is a rape culture in this country.
Earlier in the week there was a case discussed on here and elsewhere of an 8 yr old child raped 50 times over a two year period by a teenager.
These boards, and others were full of comments that excused the rapist or played down the harm done to the child. There were even people joking about it.
This is the definition of a rape culture for me.

Ofcourse the difference is that in this case it was
a male child raped 50 times by a female rapist. Thats why they were playing it down.
If an 8 yr old girl had been raped there would have been none of these comments. In fact had any such comments been posted they would have been quite rightly slaughtered.
The very fact that a feminist will post very soon to tell me that a woman cant rape a boy only confirming the sexist nature of the law in this country.
If a man, woman boy or girl was raped by a man, this nonsense would never stand. Likewise if a woman raped another women or a little girl. It would be condemnations all round.
Yet a woman rapes a male child and rape culture is there in black and white for all to see.
So yes there is a rape culture , and it is young boys that are the targets of it.
Firstly the vast majority were slating her and saying she should have been given a more severe punishment.

Secondly for the minority who weren't taking it seriously, all it goes to show is that people don't take rape against males seriously. This isn't a general rape a culture, it's simply gross sexism.
The term is sensationalized and as the article states does nothing more than poison the minds of young women and lead to hostile environments for innocent males is immense.
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The Guardian runs an article at least once a week in which all male university students are assumed to be either rapists or rape facilitators, and if you challenge this dangerous and frankly ridiculous assumption, your comment mysteriously disappears.

I'm glad to see a common sense article make it into the mainstream press.
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If you're the sort of person who looks for instances in which women are treated badly (for example, reads the everyday sexism project), dwells on them and even propagates them then of course you're going to think there's a rape culture. Then you spread the paranoia amongst women, make men paranoid too and we as a society end up suffering because of it. Yes there are criminals in this world, but you don't go around telling everyone to fear and hate half of the population because of that minority.
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(Original post by Classical Liberal)
Here's the problem. Sociologists are, usually, academic women. These women want to use the frameworks and tools of sociology to understand and stop rape, something which particularly concerns them as women. And thus, the concept of rape culture was born. I wonder, by comparison, how many economists spend time thinking up theories about rape?

As usual, the sociologists undervalue the importance of psychology and economics, and therefore come up with a faulty model of reality.
A "bit" of an over generalization really...

Though I will admit sociology has a rather large and growing radical feminist and socialist aspect most of which is very distorted.

When most sociologist's hear such things we tend to roll our eye's... but sadly those same people shout the loudest so get most exposure by wider society.
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The "teach men not to rape" thing is so offensive. Most normal, lovely men would never even thinking about treating a woman badly, let alone raping her. The inference that they have to be "taught" to act in this manner, or that teaching will even make the slightest bit of difference to the ones who would is incredibly patronising.
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(Original post by Viva Emptiness)
The "teach men not to rape" thing is so offensive. Most normal, lovely men would never even thinking about treating a woman badly, let alone raping her. The inference that they have to be "taught" to act in this manner, or that teaching will even make the slightest bit of difference to the ones who would is incredibly patronising.
Hear hear, well put.
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