Conservatism is symptomatic of stupidity

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Let's face it, everyone knows deep down that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives. Even the conservatives do. You can tell because conservatives have a kind of inverted prejudice against intelligence and intelligent people.

I don't believe that conservatism and liberalism are just two opposing political ideologies. I believe that conservatism is a symptom of a lack of intelligence, and liberalism is a symptom of intelligence.

EDIT: Some people seem to be getting upset and acting as if my claim is baseless. Here's some evidence:


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Articles concerning a study at Brock University by Gordon Hodson (seems pretty legitimate):

http://www.livescience.com/18132-int...sm-racism.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...le-racist.html

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/...article543361/

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/23/2/187

Articles concerning a study by Satoshi Kanawaza, who apparently isn't considered legitimate by some scientists:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0224132655.htm

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...-conservatives

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/0....intelligence/

http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...stion-3335313/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1237796.html
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Let's face it, everyone knows deep down that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives. Even the conservatives do. You can tell because conservatives have a kind of inverted prejudice against intelligence and intelligent people.

I don't believe that conservatism and liberalism are just two opposing political ideologies. I believe that conservatism is a symptom of a lack of intelligence, and liberalism is a symptom of intelligence.
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I don't believe that conservatism and liberalism are just two opposing political ideologies.
I don't believe they are opposing ideologies at all. Being a liberal and a conservative is entirely possible.

Your OP is filled with irony; you accuse others of being unintelligent while producing such a lacklustre argument yourself.
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Let's face it, everyone knows deep down that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives. Even the conservatives do. You can tell because conservatives have a kind of inverted prejudice against intelligence and intelligent people.

I don't believe that conservatism and liberalism are just two opposing political ideologies. I believe that conservatism is a symptom of a lack of intelligence, and liberalism is a symptom of intelligence.
I believe this shows a lack of intelligence


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Let's face it, everyone knows deep down that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives. Even the conservatives do. You can tell because conservatives have a kind of inverted prejudice against intelligence and intelligent people.

I don't believe that conservatism and liberalism are just two opposing political ideologies. I believe that conservatism is a symptom of a lack of intelligence, and liberalism is a symptom of intelligence.

Really?
That's nice dear.
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Its interesting that no one has actually made a counter argument yet.
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I don't believe they are opposing ideologies at all. Being a liberal and a conservative is entirely possible.

Your OP is filled with irony; you accuse others of being unintelligent while producing such a lacklustre argument yourself.
I don't think you know what the words liberal and conservative mean...

By definition they are opposites.
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I don't think you know what the words liberal and conservative mean...

By definition they are opposites.
Not in the UK.

Liberalism is a belief in personal autonomy and free markets. This is the ideology that predominated in the 19th century in this country.

Conservatism is a belief in preserving and restoring the institutions of the past.

So in the UK liberalism and conservatism are to a great extent compatible. Our last liberal Prime Minister was Margaret Thatcher.
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I don't think you know what the words liberal and conservative mean...

By definition they are opposites.
Liberal is about beliefs on freedom. Conservatism is about believing in traditional social institutions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conserv...l_conservatism


(Original post by KingBradly)
Let's face it, everyone knows deep down that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives. Even the conservatives do. You can tell because conservatives have a kind of inverted prejudice against intelligence and intelligent people.

I don't believe that conservatism and liberalism are just two opposing political ideologies. I believe that conservatism is a symptom of a lack of intelligence, and liberalism is a symptom of intelligence.

EDIT: Some people seem to be getting upset and acting as if my claim is baseless. Here's some evidence:


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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0224132655.htm

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...-conservatives

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/0....intelligence/

http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...stion-3335313/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1237796.html
Correlation does not indicate a link.


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Its interesting that no one has actually made a counter argument yet.
A counter argument would require an argument to exist. You've merely made an assumption based on some correlational data and a misconceived idea about what all conservatives must believe.

Perhaps I should make a counter-assertion. Read a book by Roger Scruton and then tell me conservatives are all stupid.
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The articles you reference state that conservatives gravitate towards order and structure as they simplify the complex world we live in which their puny minds cannot comprehend.

Yet, by making such a generalisation in pigeonholing liberals as intelligent and conservatives as unintelligent, isn't that precisely what you're doing?
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I would suggest that this is due to other factors, namely a lot of "very conservative" people are communitarians who have little education, whereas the popularity of very liberal ideologies among professors leads to university students identifying as liberal.
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The articles you reference state that conservatives gravitate towards order and structure as they simplify the complex world we live in which their puny minds cannot comprehend.

Yet, by making such a generalisation in pigeonholing liberals as intelligent and conservatives as unintelligent, isn't that precisely what you're doing?
I'm not sure how gravitating towards order and structure is similar to this opinion. All I'm doing is observing scientific evidence. I don't believe that conservatives shouldn't have the same rights as others. I'm just looking at the fact that conservatism simply seems to be a way of dealing with the world for people who lack intelligence. Its no different to someone saying that paranoia is symptomatic of people with mental health problems.
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I would suggest that this is due to other factors, namely a lot of "very conservative" people are communitarians who have little education, whereas the popularity of very liberal ideologies among professors leads to university students identifying as liberal.
Having little education usually means one is less intelligent, so this would only prove my point.
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Liberalism is conservative.

Moreover, you are the one who comes across as unintelligent, by failing to provide any substance to your argument other than appeals to the intelligence of believers. I do not identify as a conservative in the traditional sense (i.e. social authoritarianism, religious indoctrination etc.), however if I were to debate this kind of person I would not bring up arguments such as this because it would only make me look like a fool.
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I'm not sure how gravitating towards order and structure is similar to this opinion. All I'm doing is observing scientific evidence. I don't believe that conservatives shouldn't have the same rights as others. I'm just looking at the fact that conservatism simply seems to be a way of dealing with the world for people who lack intelligence. Its no different to someone saying that paranoia is symptomatic of people with mental health problems.
Could it not be argued then, that you pigeonholing conservatives as unintelligent and liberals as intelligent is your way of dealing with the complexity of a person's chosen ideology?
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Not in the UK.

Liberalism is a belief in personal autonomy and free markets. This is the ideology that predominated in the 19th century in this country.

Conservatism is a belief in preserving and restoring the institutions of the past.

So in the UK liberalism and conservatism are to a great extent compatible. Our last liberal Prime Minister was Margaret Thatcher.
Conservatism isn't an economic ideology so why would I be talking about economic liberalism?

Socially liberalism and conservatism are at odds with one another.

Liberals typically support equality, civil rights, civil liberty, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, secularism and loose immigration laws.

Conservatives typically support nationalism, a religious state, censorship of the media, maintaining traditional values, drug prohibition, social hierarchy, traditional family, transcendent morality, and tight immigration laws.
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(Original post by KingBradly)
Let's face it, everyone knows deep down that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives. Even the conservatives do. You can tell because conservatives have a kind of inverted prejudice against intelligence and intelligent people.

I don't believe that conservatism and liberalism are just two opposing political ideologies. I believe that conservatism is a symptom of a lack of intelligence, and liberalism is a symptom of intelligence.

EDIT: Some people seem to be getting upset and acting as if my claim is baseless. Here's some evidence:


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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0224132655.htm

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...-conservatives

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/0....intelligence/

http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...stion-3335313/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1237796.html
I do agree. But maybe I'd use the term conservative vs progressive.

Progressive ideology (and many so called progressive / democrat / liberal politicians aren't really progressive although they run campaigns as such) means checking the current situation and coming up with a suitable policy.

Conservative ideology is to just block your ears, ignore facts and yell, the old policy is awesome. Usually this is for personal interests to the politician or the people they identify with.

This in history its nearly always been the conservatives who wanted to maintain slavery, racism etc. Thus progressives have to fight hard so that stuff like no slavery can be considered normal before a conservative accepts it. By definition conservatives are not open minded and won't change their opinion no matter what.

Hence the lower perceived intelligence. The more educated in science one is the less likely they are to be conservative and religious.

Unfortunately conservatives appear as "stronger" to the average conservative voter who also might be as ignorant and easily excited over getting their candidate elected without checking the policy.

Often the conservative politician isn't stupid they just rely on a stupid voter base for an agenda with personal interests, like calling global warming a hoax for their friends who fund their election campaigns to benefit.

This video is relevant.
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Could it not be argued then, that you pigeonholing conservatives as unintelligent and liberals as intelligent is your way of dealing with the complexity of a person's chosen ideology?
People naturally notice patterns. That doesn't mean one is unintelligent, in fact its a sign of intelligence. No where have I said that what you call 'pigeon holing' is a sign of stupidity so I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

There are many different ideologies I don't agree with which I think have no relation to a persons intelligence.

I think conservatism simply comes from being unintelligent. What you're saying is a bit like saying that considering that someone who always starts fights is probably an angry person is pigeonholing them. I'm merely observing a pattern.
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Conservatism isn't an economic ideology so why would I be talking about economic liberalism?

Socially liberalism and conservatism are at odds with one another.

Liberals typically support equality, civil rights, civil liberty, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, secularism and loose immigration laws.

Conservatives typically support nationalism, a religious state, censorship of the media, maintaining traditional values, drug prohibition, social hierarchy, traditional family, transcendent morality, and tight immigration laws.
Conservatism isn't an ideology at all, it is just an intellectual trend. A Russian Communist could justifiably call himself a conservative, for instance, because he wants to restore the institutions of the past.
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I'm not conservative but this just sounds like a circle jerk for leftist students who believe they've got the world figured out.
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