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Do you consider 'racism' against white people in Britain a legitimate form of racism?

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To be fair, the first statement is erroneous because voter turnout amongst people of colour is consistently much lower than that of white people so you have no basis to argue that all these BAME people are voting in people that represent them because unfortunately they just don't, statistics prove that. Also the statement 'decided to allow millions of persons of colours to settle here' is a bit misleading. What about the huge black British population that are here because White people forcibly brought their ancestors here as slaves?

Most of the Black population in Britain came from the Caribbean in the Post-War period in the '40s and '50s, not from the slave trade. They were given a free pass to settle in Britain because they were part of the Commonwealth.

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thesabbath

Being born white is the new "original sin" in multicultural thought police State UK, with far-left atheists the witchfinders and high priests of this totalitarian religion geared to destroy the national identity and enable the globalists.

They have a lot of fellow travellers and useful idiots wittingly or unwittingly helping them out, of course. The ones who get an uncomfortable twitch and feel compelled to deploy the "racist" bomb whenever they hear or read something off-message (ie not anti-white).

Reply 22

Unconventional.

Original post by PythianLegume

My point still kind of stands here because the Commonwealth are ex-British colonies that we invaded, appropriated, enforced our own legal codes on generally commited many human rights violations against natives in the process. The least we could possibly do after that is allow them to come here when we went there and took over all their land and resources.

Reply 23

Observatory

Original post by Unconventional.

I said we allow them to vote. That they may choose not to is irrelevant, though I suspect they don't vote much differently when corrected for income. Look at the ethnicity of MPs in majority non-white areas.

Also the statement 'decided to allow millions of persons of colours to settle here' is a bit misleading. What about the huge black British population that are here because White people forcibly brought their ancestors here as slaves?

Doesn't exist. This isn't America. I get the strong feeling that a lot of what is thought and written on this subject is simply ported from America without any consideration of differing circumstances and history.

It's definitely not hard to argue there's official oppression in the UK, look at the police force, it's consistently been found to be systematically racist.

"Systemic racism" is defined as racism that is not directed or desired by those in power. It's for that reason a concept of dubious scientific - how do you prove an organisation is unintentionally racist? But even granting it exists, it still doesn't meet the lecturer's criteria, which is that racism must be officially sanctioned.

Studies show if you have a NAME that doesn't look 'white' your CV is many times more likely to just be tossed aside, these studies exist and prove that these things happen.

Those are private, not official acts. The claim is that racism is only official oppression.

If they didn't we'd live in a society where racism would be a tiny issue and not something where people of colour are affected by it often daily.

I'm not at all overlooking the plight of people who suffer such as those mentioned in OP's statements, I really hope all those were reported to police and dealt with because they're disgusting crimes. However one must understand (as OP stated they did) that these situations are much less common than white perpatrators committing hate crimes against people of colour on racist grounds, and that there is no systematic racism against white people.

I have no idea on relative frequencies, and I doubt it's even measurable. The claim made however was that private racist acts (generally hurtful statements, or minor acts of violence in poor neighbourhoods) were fundamentally different based on whether the perpetrator is or is not white when in fact they seem to be much the same, and all groups seem to have a strong tendency to act in this way.

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Reply 24

Jebedee

Racism against any race is deplorable, thinking otherwise is certainly racist.

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Reply 25

username878045

Original post by Unconventional.

Your point was that 'allowed to settle here' was misleading, but that was exactly what we did. Of course, we committed crimes in the slave trade, but that's not really relevant because it happened so long ago.

Reply 26

Unconventional.

Original post by Observatory

Doesn't exist.

"Systemic racism" is defined as racism that is not directed or desired by those in power. It's for that reason a concept of dubious scientific - how do you prove an organisation is unintentionally racist?

Those are private, not official acts. The claim is that racism is only official oppression.

I have no idea on relative frequencies, and I doubt it's even measurable. The claim made however was that private racist acts (generally hurtful statements, or minor acts of violence in poor neighbourhoods) were fundamentally different based on whether the perpetrator is or is not white when in fact they seem to be much the same, and all groups seem to have a strong tendency to act in this way.

'Doesn't exist?' So you're saying there are no black people that have ancestral roots in slavery? So where did they all go then? :s-smilie:

That claim is ridiculous.

I apologise for the confusion, I meant 'systematic' as opposed to 'systemic'.

Also the acts certainly are measurable as there are crime statistics available but you don't even need that really if you talked to individuals alone lived realities would be enough as the disparity would become very clear very quickly.

With the last part I don't disagree particularly.

Reply 27

Le Franglais

Original post by Huskaris

As a white male who is heterosexual it is 100% impossible to prejudice against me. :nopity:

I could call you cracker. That's an insult directly linked to your skin, not your sexuality.

Reply 28

Oschene23

Original post by Arielle

I spoke about this with my lecturer who informed me that this was not a form of racism. He said that because this isn't a 'general' case, it's discrimination, not racism. How is this so? I think racism against any race is absolutely disgusting and do understand that the majority of racism in this country is aimed at ethnic minorities, but felt very frustrated that this wasn't being recognized as a form of racism, too and has been dismissed so easily.

Academics don't understand the struggles of the ordinary man or woman. Take Mary Beard when she appeared on Question Time, they are often far detached from anything which occurs in the real world and doesn't fit the abstract models and theories as they should.
Academics would have us believe that multiculturalism can only be positive and because they are mostly champagne socialists they can make ridiculous claims like the one to you, because they don't have to live through the same experiences that ordinary people like you do.

I'm really sorry that you have been the victim of such racism in your community, and if it continues to occur I'd strongly advise going to the police about it. (unfortunately they will probably ignore it if you are white). You shouldn't have to put up with such behaviour in the 21st Century, but something tells me these kinds of incidents are just the beginning of a wave of racial animosity brewing throughout UK cities.

Reply 29

Huskaris

Original post by Le Franglais

I could call you cracker. That's an insult directly linked to your skin, not your sexuality.

But who would do a thing about it? No one.

Reply 30

anosmianAcrimony

Original post by SmallDuck

Yes, your lecturer is racist and ought be thrown in the slammer.

People don't actually get thrown in the slammer for voicing racist opinions. It isn't nice, but it isn't illegal.

Reply 31

Observatory

Original post by Unconventional.

'Doesn't exist?' So you're saying there are no black people that have ancestral roots in slavery? So where did they all go then? :s-smilie:

That claim is ridiculous.
Yes. Slave status was not legally enforceable in the British Isles. Slaves were shipped from Africa to colonial plantations in the Americas. Hardly anyone in Britain today is descended from forced migrants more recent than the Roman period.

I apologise for the confusion, I meant 'systematic' as opposed to 'systemic'.

The police force has not been accused of "systematic racism"; it has been repeatedly accused of "systemic" racism.

Also the acts certainly are measurable as there are crime statistics available but you don't even need that really if you talked to individuals alone lived realities would be enough as the disparity would become very clear very quickly.

However there are also people whose anecdotes make anti-white racism seem common. I've never either experienced or perpetrated a racist attack so I have no personal experience on which to judge this. The vast majority of such incidents certainly won't have been reported to the police, and then somehow the statistics must be corrected for the great disparities in population size.

Reply 32

LilacLily

Discrimination based on race is racism regardless of the race on the receiving end.

Reply 33

donutaud15

I would say it's racism

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Reply 34

shahbaz

Well, how does it feel to be on the back foot?

Reply 35

KingBradly

Its racism, but the point is that it doesn't matter what you call it. What you call it should have no effect on how you perceive it. Its crazy that we actually get so hung up on language that sometimes we actually make the mistake of thinking words define actions (which your idiotic teacher is particularly guilty of doing).

Whatever it is, its absolutely disgusting, and your teacher is a callous person for turning a blind eye to it.

Reply 36

Lyla_Mikaeal

Racism doesn't exclude any race, whether you're white or not. If you have received demeaning comments relating to your race then yes, the person in question is being racist towards you. Your lecturer is clearly a narrow-minded imbecile, to cut it short, for not being understanding towards a sensitive issue like this.

Reply 37

DanB1991

Of course it's racism. Generally when people say white they mean the majority, because even then they would argue a white minority such as polish people suffer abuse.

Stats however paint a funny picture. Typically we're given the impression via the BNP and EDL the majority of racist's in this country are white people who see themselves as native english/british.

It couldn't actually be further from the truth. Racist incident and attacks occur more often against native white people than all the other ethnic groups put together.

However the size of the demographics makes it if you're an ethnic minority you are actually "more" likely to suffer abuse than an average white person, however the overall majority of racist incidents occur against white people. In contrast a person who is classed as an ethnic minority is also more likely to commit racism than a white person. (By the way this is UK stats, I cannot comment on other countries)

Reply 38

donutaud15

not sure if this is racism or more to do with regional identity but when my husband was young he was regularly told to go back where he came from (he is English but was brought up in Wales) and was beaten up several times for it.

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Reply 39

LukeM90

I'd consider any form of racism legitimate tbh, even if the person it's aimed at isn't offended doesn't mean it's OK.

Like I don't think id be offended if someone called me something for being white,

I'd probably be more worried if I got battered because I was white but I'd probably feel equally as offended if anyone battered me, white or otherwise lol

btw Battered = beaten up, having the **** kicked out of ya, just in case someone thought it was a sexual thing :tongue: