Should islanders in Shetland, Orkney, Western Isles get their desired referenda?

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Poll: Should islanders in Shetland, Orkney, Western Isles get their desired referenda?
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Residents of Shetland, Orkney and the Western Isles - three beautiful island groups off the coast of the northern Scottish mainland - want referenda to be held on their islands one week after the Scottish independence referendum. (See for example here, here, here and here)

For each island group, the options would be

1) become an independent country

2) stay in Scotland

And if the Scottish result was "yes" (to Scottish independence), there will also be a third option:

3) leave Scotland and stay in the UK.

The islanders have made their request by petitioning the Scottish Parliament. They invite signatures from everyone who supports them, regardless of where in the world you live. If you do support them, please sign the petition here. (It will be open until 28 April.)

The point of this poll I'm posting on the Student Room is to ask whether people do actually support the islanders getting these referenda that we want.

Please note that supporting the referenda does NOT mean supporting independence. It doesn't mean supporting the status quo either. It just means agreing with the holding of the three islands referenda.

In my opinion, islanders are unlikely to choose independence. The most likely change to the status quo brought about by an islands referendum will be if Scotland votes "yes" to independence, in which case I think Shetland will vote to leave Scotland and stay in the UK. Orkney may or may not follow (I hope we do!), and the Western Isles probably wouldn't. But that's all hypothetical anyway, because Scotland is unlikely to go independent. In that case, the vote in the islands would be independence versus status quo. Personally I think the status quo would win. But I am very strongly in favour of islanders being able to decide. And the way we can do that is in a separate referendum in each island group.

OK, so do you support the islanders being allowed to get their desired referenda on the islands?
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there should be a 4th option

join Norway

(which originally owned these islands anyway)
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You have internet up there? :confused:

I thought you burnt such technological heathens in a giant wicker man
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Defect to Norway.
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(Original post by A Mysterious Lord)
Defect to Norway.
Why would Norway want them?
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Why would Norway want them?
Don't knwo but I would want Norway.
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Yup, they should be able to hold one if they choose. I didn't think there was much of a movement though.

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/3201771

Why you'd asked to re-join the UK is pretty bizarre though if Scotland chooses indy.
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They can easily make a tonne of money off the North Sea revenue split between so few people.
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When all little islands have been given to some foreign nations you'll hear an outcry from the middle classes how we should give away England away because it technically doesn't belong to them.
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How could they possibly leave Scotland and become independent? I don't know why they'd want to anyway, they get so many benefits staying with us. They are Scottish, so why leave the country?..
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(Original post by chrisawhitmore)
Why would Norway want them?
Sheltland - Oil
Orkney - Whisky

Western Isles I doubt, but theres an argument for 'why not have them'.
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How could they possibly leave Scotland and become independent? I don't know why they'd want to anyway, they get so many benefits staying with us. They are Scottish, so why leave the country?..
They've never considered themselves Scottish...
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(Original post by fabstrawberry)
How could they possibly leave Scotland and become independent? I don't know why they'd want to anyway, they get so many benefits staying with us. They are Scottish, so why leave the country?..
They don't share any of Scotland's cultural heritage, and the islanders have never considered themselves particularly Scottish. It doesn't seem fair to let the rest of Scotland force the islands into an independence that they don't necessarily want.

Anyway, most of the arguments against the islands separating from Scotland can be equally well used against Scotland separating from the UK. Scots are British, so why leave Britain?
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(Original post by TheBugle)
Yup, they should be able to hold one if they choose. I didn't think there was much of a movement though.

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/3201771

Why you'd asked to re-join the UK is pretty bizarre though if Scotland chooses indy.
Why?

You seem to be under this impression that YeSNP supporters have a broad degree of support. There's huge swathes of Scotland that don't align themselves with the SNPs fantasy.

Maybe your average islander understands the arguments being put forward and is dismissing the SNPs fantasy wish list of a white paper.
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(Original post by fabstrawberry)
How could they possibly leave Scotland and become independent? I don't know why they'd want to anyway, they get so many benefits staying with us. They are Scottish, so why leave the country?..
What benefit? The SNP seem to have earmarked their oil several times over.
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I don't know why they don't consider themselves Scottish, I would if I lived on one of those islands. They're closest to Scotland and too weak to survive on their own, so isn't it for the best that they're considered part of Scotland? The Isle of Man and the Isle of Wight are still a part of England..
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(Original post by fabstrawberry)
I don't know why they don't consider themselves Scottish, I would if I lived on one of those islands. They're closest to Scotland and too weak to survive on their own, so isn't it for the best that they're considered part of Scotland? The Isle of Man and the Isle of Wight are still a part of England..
You can equally well say that about Scotland in relation to the rest of the UK.
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How could they possibly leave Scotland and become independent? I don't know why they'd want to anyway, they get so many benefits staying with us. They are Scottish, so why leave the country?..
How could they possibly leave the UK and become independent? I don't know why they'd want to anyway, they get so many benefits staying with the UK. They are British so why leave the country?..

Using the argument above, the logic for a Scottish referendum is shaky.
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Why?

You seem to be under this impression that YeSNP supporters have a broad degree of support. There's huge swathes of Scotland that don't align themselves with the SNPs fantasy.

Maybe your average islander understands the arguments being put forward and is dismissing the SNPs fantasy wish list of a white paper.
Why what?

YeSNP? Jesus Christ, you're an embarrassment.
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Why what?

YeSNP? Jesus Christ, you're an embarrassment.
Am I?

Have I hit a nerve?
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