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95.6% of prisoners in the UK are male as of June 2013. Source: (www.parliament.uk)
and about 75% of all prisoners are sentenced adult males (>20 years old). The 2nd highest category is Untried prisoners, followed by sentenced adult males (18-20 years old).
Now why might this be? It is true that men are overall more aggressive than women (note the vast majority of prisoners are convicted of VATP, sexual crimes or robbery), generally. With homicides disproportionately committed by men, while some research suggests 'passive aggressive' behavior is more likely to be committed by women (which isn't a criminal offense ). Interestingly studies suggest that even though men are generally more violent than women, in a domestic setting this isn't the case, with domestic violence having roughly the same prevalence among both sexes (some studies even suggest women are more violent), however women are more likely to be injured than men, so even here you would expect to see more convicted males. Men are more likely also to be the victim of a violent crime, and drug related crimes, while women are more likely to be the victim of sexual crimes, and domestic homicide. Generally speaking, if you are a white female, then you are least likely to be a victim of crime than other groups.
Rational, civil discussion please; no antagonistic one liners or 'social justice warrior' crusading. The intention of this thread is to discuss some rather interesting statistics, not to debate feminism.
and about 75% of all prisoners are sentenced adult males (>20 years old). The 2nd highest category is Untried prisoners, followed by sentenced adult males (18-20 years old).
Now why might this be? It is true that men are overall more aggressive than women (note the vast majority of prisoners are convicted of VATP, sexual crimes or robbery), generally. With homicides disproportionately committed by men, while some research suggests 'passive aggressive' behavior is more likely to be committed by women (which isn't a criminal offense ). Interestingly studies suggest that even though men are generally more violent than women, in a domestic setting this isn't the case, with domestic violence having roughly the same prevalence among both sexes (some studies even suggest women are more violent), however women are more likely to be injured than men, so even here you would expect to see more convicted males. Men are more likely also to be the victim of a violent crime, and drug related crimes, while women are more likely to be the victim of sexual crimes, and domestic homicide. Generally speaking, if you are a white female, then you are least likely to be a victim of crime than other groups.
Rational, civil discussion please; no antagonistic one liners or 'social justice warrior' crusading. The intention of this thread is to discuss some rather interesting statistics, not to debate feminism.
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Here is an interesting paper that suggests female judges are more likely to inflict harsher sentences than their male counterparts.
http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/77/3/1163.short
http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/77/3/1163.short
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Men and women are not equal in court.
Men and women are not equal in court.
http://fcx.sagepub.com/content/7/2/146.short
Men do apparently get longer sentences for sex crimes. Of course if men generally receive harsher sentences for the same crime, then this may explain some of the prision population, I'm yet to confirm that this is the case though.
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It's biology and society.
- men have a lot more testosterone and therefore more aggressive and competitive
- there are a lot more men with lower IQ's and anti-social conditions than women
- men are bigger, stronger, faster than women which helps in crimes where those things are needed
- men are under pressure to be the breadwinners
- men get a lot fewer benefits, housing priorities etc
- men don't have the option to sell their bodies, strip etc
- men are far less likely to find a partner who will financially support them
- men are less likely to be helped by their families
- men have very little public or private support from society ( also the reason almost 90% oh homeless are men)
- men do worse than women in school and the gap is growing every year since education has become feminized : few male teachers, teaching in a way that is based on memorization and regurgitation which girls excel at, not focusing on problem solving and questioning why things are they way they are, discouraging competition (everybody gets a medal so no kids will be upset), discouraging physicality in the playground which boys need to keep their energy in check and so on
- men are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted, receive a longer sentence and less likely to receive a suspended sentence or be released earlier for the exact same crime as a woman
- men have a lot more testosterone and therefore more aggressive and competitive
- there are a lot more men with lower IQ's and anti-social conditions than women
- men are bigger, stronger, faster than women which helps in crimes where those things are needed
- men are under pressure to be the breadwinners
- men get a lot fewer benefits, housing priorities etc
- men don't have the option to sell their bodies, strip etc
- men are far less likely to find a partner who will financially support them
- men are less likely to be helped by their families
- men have very little public or private support from society ( also the reason almost 90% oh homeless are men)
- men do worse than women in school and the gap is growing every year since education has become feminized : few male teachers, teaching in a way that is based on memorization and regurgitation which girls excel at, not focusing on problem solving and questioning why things are they way they are, discouraging competition (everybody gets a medal so no kids will be upset), discouraging physicality in the playground which boys need to keep their energy in check and so on
- men are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted, receive a longer sentence and less likely to receive a suspended sentence or be released earlier for the exact same crime as a woman
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I think it is for similar reason as more men commit suicide. Because of the way men and women are socialised men are forced to release their emotions in negative ways such as crime or suicide whereas women are more likely to talk to someone about it. Although women are far more likely to self harm which is interesting.
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(Original post by jamieTT)
It's biology and society.
- men have a lot more testosterone and therefore more aggressive and competitive
- there are a lot more men with lower IQ's and anti-social conditions than women
- men are bigger, stronger, faster than women which helps in crimes where those things are needed
- men are under pressure to be the breadwinners
- men get a lot fewer benefits, housing priorities etc
- men don't have the option to sell their bodies, strip etc
- men are far less likely to find a partner who will financially support them
- men are less likely to be helped by their families
- men have very little public or private support from society ( also the reason almost 90% oh homeless are men)
- men do worse than women in school and the gap is growing every year since education has become feminized : few male teachers, teaching in a way that is based on memorization and regurgitation which girls excel at, not focusing on problem solving and questioning why things are they way they are, discouraging competition (everybody gets a medal so no kids will be upset), discouraging physicality in the playground which boys need to keep their energy in check and so on
- men are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted, receive a longer sentence and less likely to receive a suspended sentence or be released earlier for the exact same crime as a woman
It's biology and society.
- men have a lot more testosterone and therefore more aggressive and competitive
- there are a lot more men with lower IQ's and anti-social conditions than women
- men are bigger, stronger, faster than women which helps in crimes where those things are needed
- men are under pressure to be the breadwinners
- men get a lot fewer benefits, housing priorities etc
- men don't have the option to sell their bodies, strip etc
- men are far less likely to find a partner who will financially support them
- men are less likely to be helped by their families
- men have very little public or private support from society ( also the reason almost 90% oh homeless are men)
- men do worse than women in school and the gap is growing every year since education has become feminized : few male teachers, teaching in a way that is based on memorization and regurgitation which girls excel at, not focusing on problem solving and questioning why things are they way they are, discouraging competition (everybody gets a medal so no kids will be upset), discouraging physicality in the playground which boys need to keep their energy in check and so on
- men are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted, receive a longer sentence and less likely to receive a suspended sentence or be released earlier for the exact same crime as a woman
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(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
I am looking for some papers atm on this. I can't yet find anything both recent and general though I did find this on the subject of sex crimes.
http://fcx.sagepub.com/content/7/2/146.short
Men do apparently get longer sentences for sex crimes. Of course if men generally receive harsher sentences for the same crime, then this may explain some of the prision population, I'm yet to confirm that this is the case though.
I am looking for some papers atm on this. I can't yet find anything both recent and general though I did find this on the subject of sex crimes.
http://fcx.sagepub.com/content/7/2/146.short
Men do apparently get longer sentences for sex crimes. Of course if men generally receive harsher sentences for the same crime, then this may explain some of the prision population, I'm yet to confirm that this is the case though.
For the US though.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arting-16.html
If that was a man he'd definitely get more than 2 years.
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I think it is for similar reason as more men commit suicide. Because of the way men and women are socialised men are forced to release their emotions in negative ways such as crime or suicide whereas women are more likely to talk to someone about it. Although women are far more likely to self harm which is interesting.
I think it is for similar reason as more men commit suicide. Because of the way men and women are socialised men are forced to release their emotions in negative ways such as crime or suicide whereas women are more likely to talk to someone about it. Although women are far more likely to self harm which is interesting.
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http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=2144002
For the US though.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arting-16.html
If that was a man he'd definitely get more than 2 years.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=2144002
For the US though.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arting-16.html
If that was a man he'd definitely get more than 2 years.
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(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
The self harm thing is very interesting, given that men are more likely to be depressed and more likely to commit suicide. What about the prevalence of bullying in school children, are girls more affected than boys? Things like eating disorders are far more prevalent in women also, and they are related to things like depression and bullying.
The self harm thing is very interesting, given that men are more likely to be depressed and more likely to commit suicide. What about the prevalence of bullying in school children, are girls more affected than boys? Things like eating disorders are far more prevalent in women also, and they are related to things like depression and bullying.
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(Original post by Camoxide)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arting-16.html
If that was a man he'd definitely get more than 2 years.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arting-16.html
If that was a man he'd definitely get more than 2 years.
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I think girls get bullied differently. I was always bullied as a kid and I wished they'd beat me up because what I experienced was more akin to mental torture.
I think girls get bullied differently. I was always bullied as a kid and I wished they'd beat me up because what I experienced was more akin to mental torture.
. It does fit in with the evidence that women are far more likely to be emotionally or passive-aggressive in later life than men though.
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(Original post by Camoxide)
Men and women are not equal in court.
Men and women are not equal in court.
Men can be convicted of rape, but women can't.
Women can kill a father's child through abortion laws
Women can have the child and not let the father see it
Basically anything to do with their children men have no rights
etc.
It will only get worse with the feminazi movement. The women in that movement just want more and more privileges for women in western countries. They don't even care about actual oppressed women in 3rd world countries.
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Not wanting to derail the thread, but a man having sex with a 8 y/o girl is very different to a woman having sex with an 8y/o girl; the crimes are not the same.
Not wanting to derail the thread, but a man having sex with a 8 y/o girl is very different to a woman having sex with an 8y/o girl; the crimes are not the same.
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Not wanting to derail the thread, but a man having sex with a 8 y/o girl is very different to a woman having sex with an 8y/o girl; the crimes are not the same.
Not wanting to derail the thread, but a man having sex with a 8 y/o girl is very different to a woman having sex with an 8y/o girl; the crimes are not the same.
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(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
This wouldn't surprise me, a lot of the bullying cases I was aware of in school were of girls tormenting other girls. Whereas almost exclusively all the violent incidents were boys attacking other boys. I wish I could find a paper on this sort of thing, Google scholar and web of knowledge aren't great
. It does fit in with the evidence that women are far more likely to be emotionally or passive-aggressive in later life than men though.
This wouldn't surprise me, a lot of the bullying cases I was aware of in school were of girls tormenting other girls. Whereas almost exclusively all the violent incidents were boys attacking other boys. I wish I could find a paper on this sort of thing, Google scholar and web of knowledge aren't great
. It does fit in with the evidence that women are far more likely to be emotionally or passive-aggressive in later life than men though.
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not sure if serious or troll?
not sure if serious or troll?
A man having sex with a girl is just so obviously different than a woman having sex with a boy, I don't see what's so hard to understand.
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Serious.
A man having sex with a girl is just so obviously different than a woman having sex with a boy, I don't see what's so hard to understand.
Serious.
A man having sex with a girl is just so obviously different than a woman having sex with a boy, I don't see what's so hard to understand.
Both of them are going to be traumatized. Both of them will risk contracting diseases.
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So you agree with women getting shorter sentences for raping kids?
Both of them are going to be traumatized. Both of them will risk contracting diseases.
So you agree with women getting shorter sentences for raping kids?
Both of them are going to be traumatized. Both of them will risk contracting diseases.
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