~95.6% of prisoners in the UK are male.

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95.6% of prisoners in the UK are male as of June 2013. Source: (www.parliament.uk)
and about 75% of all prisoners are sentenced adult males (>20 years old). The 2nd highest category is Untried prisoners, followed by sentenced adult males (18-20 years old).

Now why might this be? It is true that men are overall more aggressive than women (note the vast majority of prisoners are convicted of VATP, sexual crimes or robbery), generally. With homicides disproportionately committed by men, while some research suggests 'passive aggressive' behavior is more likely to be committed by women (which isn't a criminal offense ). Interestingly studies suggest that even though men are generally more violent than women, in a domestic setting this isn't the case, with domestic violence having roughly the same prevalence among both sexes (some studies even suggest women are more violent), however women are more likely to be injured than men, so even here you would expect to see more convicted males. Men are more likely also to be the victim of a violent crime, and drug related crimes, while women are more likely to be the victim of sexual crimes, and domestic homicide. Generally speaking, if you are a white female, then you are least likely to be a victim of crime than other groups.

Rational, civil discussion please; no antagonistic one liners or 'social justice warrior' crusading. The intention of this thread is to discuss some rather interesting statistics, not to debate feminism.
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Men and women are not equal in court.
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Here is an interesting paper that suggests female judges are more likely to inflict harsher sentences than their male counterparts.
http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/77/3/1163.short
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Men and women are not equal in court.
I am looking for some papers atm on this. I can't yet find anything both recent and general though I did find this on the subject of sex crimes.

http://fcx.sagepub.com/content/7/2/146.short

Men do apparently get longer sentences for sex crimes. Of course if men generally receive harsher sentences for the same crime, then this may explain some of the prision population, I'm yet to confirm that this is the case though.
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It's biology and society.

- men have a lot more testosterone and therefore more aggressive and competitive

- there are a lot more men with lower IQ's and anti-social conditions than women

- men are bigger, stronger, faster than women which helps in crimes where those things are needed

- men are under pressure to be the breadwinners

- men get a lot fewer benefits, housing priorities etc

- men don't have the option to sell their bodies, strip etc

- men are far less likely to find a partner who will financially support them

- men are less likely to be helped by their families

- men have very little public or private support from society ( also the reason almost 90% oh homeless are men)

- men do worse than women in school and the gap is growing every year since education has become feminized : few male teachers, teaching in a way that is based on memorization and regurgitation which girls excel at, not focusing on problem solving and questioning why things are they way they are, discouraging competition (everybody gets a medal so no kids will be upset), discouraging physicality in the playground which boys need to keep their energy in check and so on

- men are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted, receive a longer sentence and less likely to receive a suspended sentence or be released earlier for the exact same crime as a woman
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I think it is for similar reason as more men commit suicide. Because of the way men and women are socialised men are forced to release their emotions in negative ways such as crime or suicide whereas women are more likely to talk to someone about it. Although women are far more likely to self harm which is interesting.
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It's biology and society.

- men have a lot more testosterone and therefore more aggressive and competitive

- there are a lot more men with lower IQ's and anti-social conditions than women

- men are bigger, stronger, faster than women which helps in crimes where those things are needed

- men are under pressure to be the breadwinners

- men get a lot fewer benefits, housing priorities etc

- men don't have the option to sell their bodies, strip etc

- men are far less likely to find a partner who will financially support them

- men are less likely to be helped by their families

- men have very little public or private support from society ( also the reason almost 90% oh homeless are men)

- men do worse than women in school and the gap is growing every year since education has become feminized : few male teachers, teaching in a way that is based on memorization and regurgitation which girls excel at, not focusing on problem solving and questioning why things are they way they are, discouraging competition (everybody gets a medal so no kids will be upset), discouraging physicality in the playground which boys need to keep their energy in check and so on

- men are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted, receive a longer sentence and less likely to receive a suspended sentence or be released earlier for the exact same crime as a woman
One thing I'd be interested to know, is if attempted 1st degree murder is less harshly punished than 1st degree murder. I say first degree, because attempted 2nd degree murder is very hard to distinguish from assault.
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I am looking for some papers atm on this. I can't yet find anything both recent and general though I did find this on the subject of sex crimes.

http://fcx.sagepub.com/content/7/2/146.short

Men do apparently get longer sentences for sex crimes. Of course if men generally receive harsher sentences for the same crime, then this may explain some of the prision population, I'm yet to confirm that this is the case though.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=2144002

For the US though.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arting-16.html

If that was a man he'd definitely get more than 2 years.
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I think it is for similar reason as more men commit suicide. Because of the way men and women are socialised men are forced to release their emotions in negative ways such as crime or suicide whereas women are more likely to talk to someone about it. Although women are far more likely to self harm which is interesting.
The self harm thing is very interesting, given that men are more likely to be depressed and more likely to commit suicide. What about the prevalence of bullying in school children, are girls more affected than boys? Things like eating disorders are far more prevalent in women also, and they are related to things like depression and bullying.
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http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=2144002

For the US though.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arting-16.html

If that was a man he'd definitely get more than 2 years.
Unfortunately its rather difficult to find UK specific papers, some of the facts in OP are from US based studies. I can't really do much about that and am assuming that it is at least semi transferable. Though it is an unattractive assumption I admit.
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The self harm thing is very interesting, given that men are more likely to be depressed and more likely to commit suicide. What about the prevalence of bullying in school children, are girls more affected than boys? Things like eating disorders are far more prevalent in women also, and they are related to things like depression and bullying.
I think girls get bullied differently. I was always bullied as a kid and I wished they'd beat me up because what I experienced was more akin to mental torture.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arting-16.html

If that was a man he'd definitely get more than 2 years.
Not wanting to derail the thread, but a man having sex with a 8 y/o girl is very different to a woman having sex with an 8y/o girl; the crimes are not the same.
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I think girls get bullied differently. I was always bullied as a kid and I wished they'd beat me up because what I experienced was more akin to mental torture.
This wouldn't surprise me, a lot of the bullying cases I was aware of in school were of girls tormenting other girls. Whereas almost exclusively all the violent incidents were boys attacking other boys. I wish I could find a paper on this sort of thing, Google scholar and web of knowledge aren't great . It does fit in with the evidence that women are far more likely to be emotionally or passive-aggressive in later life than men though.
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Men and women are not equal in court.
The legal system favours women heavily and is very biased towards men. Going as far as having different laws where women can't be convicted. e.g.
Men can be convicted of rape, but women can't.
Women can kill a father's child through abortion laws
Women can have the child and not let the father see it
Basically anything to do with their children men have no rights
etc.

It will only get worse with the feminazi movement. The women in that movement just want more and more privileges for women in western countries. They don't even care about actual oppressed women in 3rd world countries.
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Not wanting to derail the thread, but a man having sex with a 8 y/o girl is very different to a woman having sex with an 8y/o girl; the crimes are not the same.
not sure if serious or troll?
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Not wanting to derail the thread, but a man having sex with a 8 y/o girl is very different to a woman having sex with an 8y/o girl; the crimes are not the same.
Yes to an extent, I'm guessing from the sentence, that he 'consented' (inverted commas for obvious reasons), and was emotionally manipulated by her into doing it rather than forced using violence. if violence had been used, then this would presumabely have resulted in a longer sentence. That being said, Jeremy Forrest got 5 years for 'consented' sex with a 15 year old girl (clearly this isn't as bad) , where there was no evidence of violence. It is not enough to explain it, I don't think.
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This wouldn't surprise me, a lot of the bullying cases I was aware of in school were of girls tormenting other girls. Whereas almost exclusively all the violent incidents were boys attacking other boys. I wish I could find a paper on this sort of thing, Google scholar and web of knowledge aren't great . It does fit in with the evidence that women are far more likely to be emotionally or passive-aggressive in later life than men though.
I was ok until I got to secondary school where it wasn't seen as acceptable to punch other girls in the face any more.
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not sure if serious or troll?
Serious.

A man having sex with a girl is just so obviously different than a woman having sex with a boy, I don't see what's so hard to understand.
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Serious.

A man having sex with a girl is just so obviously different than a woman having sex with a boy, I don't see what's so hard to understand.
So you agree with women getting shorter sentences for raping kids?

Both of them are going to be traumatized. Both of them will risk contracting diseases.
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So you agree with women getting shorter sentences for raping kids?

Both of them are going to be traumatized. Both of them will risk contracting diseases.
I think what he is saying does have some merit, but I would say that with extreme caution. It is far less likely that the women used violence or assault, or did something that he explicitly objected too. However, the crime was underage sex, and age is also a very important factor. He was eight, which is extremely serious, far more serious than a post pubescent, but still underage, teenager. So yes, I agree this was far too lenient especially in light of the Jeremy Forrest case which would have been legal in another European country - and he got five years. Also she did it fifty times, and didn't turn herself in. No, its ridiculous.
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