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Does UKIP want to be part of EFTA (European Free Trade Association) like the Western European nations that are not part of the EU are (Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Liechtenstein)? Thus the Uk doesn't have tariffs or duties when importing or exporting products but are not part of the EU, is that a policy UKIP support?
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well, they pretty clearly want to leave the EU opposed to reform it, so I'd make an educated guess and assume that they simply want to leave it, but they do seem to use switzerland and co. as an example of how bad we in the main EU club have it
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(Original post by hsv)
Does UKIP want to be part of EFTA (European Free Trade Association) like the Western European nations that are not part of the EU are (Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Liechtenstein)? Thus the Uk doesn't have tariffs or duties when importing or exporting products but are not part of the EU, is that a policy UKIP support?
Does UKIP want to be part of EFTA (European Free Trade Association) like the Western European nations that are not part of the EU are (Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Liechtenstein)? Thus the Uk doesn't have tariffs or duties when importing or exporting products but are not part of the EU, is that a policy UKIP support?
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We should leave the EU and join NAFTA when their free trade deal is agreed. No need for a referendum etc we can get our cake and eat it.
We should leave the EU and join NAFTA when their free trade deal is agreed. No need for a referendum etc we can get our cake and eat it.
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Irrespective of the UKIP slant in this, trade barriers and tariffs are being eradicated globally. The US has a free trade deal with South Korea. South Korea is part of ASEAN.
Irrespective of the UKIP slant in this, trade barriers and tariffs are being eradicated globally. The US has a free trade deal with South Korea. South Korea is part of ASEAN.
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We should leave the EU and join NAFTA when their free trade deal is agreed. No need for a referendum etc we can get our cake and eat it.
We should leave the EU and join NAFTA when their free trade deal is agreed. No need for a referendum etc we can get our cake and eat it.
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The problem is we don't want the nasty unregulated food they have in America.
The problem is we don't want the nasty unregulated food they have in America.
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(Original post by hsv)
Does UKIP want to be part of EFTA (European Free Trade Association) like the Western European nations that are not part of the EU are (Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Liechtenstein)? Thus the Uk doesn't have tariffs or duties when importing or exporting products but are not part of the EU, is that a policy UKIP support?
Does UKIP want to be part of EFTA (European Free Trade Association) like the Western European nations that are not part of the EU are (Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Liechtenstein)? Thus the Uk doesn't have tariffs or duties when importing or exporting products but are not part of the EU, is that a policy UKIP support?
We should remind ourselves that members of the EFTA must still obey EU regulations and must also accept the ''Free Movement of People'':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
http://www.efta.int/eea/policy-areas/persons
If you consider the issues that UKIP want to focus on (http://www.ukip.org/issues), you'll notice that joining the EFTA would not actually do the following:
- ''Return powers to the UK'' - We'd still have to obey EU regulations/laws and wouldn't even have a say in their creation (we'd be out of the European Council and Parliament).
- ''Protect Our Borders'' - The free movement of people would still be there.
So... yeah?
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(Original post by Rakas21)
We already have a free trade deal with South Korea.
We already have a free trade deal with South Korea.
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(Original post by Tamora)
'We' means the EU of course.
'We' means the EU of course.
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Not sure.
We should remind ourselves that members of the EFTA must still obey EU regulations and must also accept the ''Free Movement of People'':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
http://www.efta.int/eea/policy-areas/persons
If you consider the issues that UKIP want to focus on (http://www.ukip.org/issues), you'll notice that joining the EFTA would not actually do the following:
- ''Return powers to the UK'' - We'd still have to obey EU regulations/laws and wouldn't even have a say in their creation (we'd be out of the European Council and Parliament).
- ''Protect Our Borders'' - The free movement of people would still be there.
So... yeah?
Not sure.
We should remind ourselves that members of the EFTA must still obey EU regulations and must also accept the ''Free Movement of People'':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
http://www.efta.int/eea/policy-areas/persons
If you consider the issues that UKIP want to focus on (http://www.ukip.org/issues), you'll notice that joining the EFTA would not actually do the following:
- ''Return powers to the UK'' - We'd still have to obey EU regulations/laws and wouldn't even have a say in their creation (we'd be out of the European Council and Parliament).
- ''Protect Our Borders'' - The free movement of people would still be there.
So... yeah?
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(Original post by hsv)
So what does EFTA opt you out of if you still have to obey EU regulations and accept free movement of people? It seems like there was no reason for Norway to opt out of the EU and set up/join the EFTA if there are so little differences, doesn't get you out of EU laws etc.
So what does EFTA opt you out of if you still have to obey EU regulations and accept free movement of people? It seems like there was no reason for Norway to opt out of the EU and set up/join the EFTA if there are so little differences, doesn't get you out of EU laws etc.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
Not too sure. I know that EU members need to pay a yearly fee to be a member. I don't think that EFTA members need to.
Not too sure. I know that EU members need to pay a yearly fee to be a member. I don't think that EFTA members need to.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
Both Norway and Iceland do pay a fee, it's less than a billion though. The UK would have it scaled up for it's population size so it would still be a few billion.
Both Norway and Iceland do pay a fee, it's less than a billion though. The UK would have it scaled up for it's population size so it would still be a few billion.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
Wasn't aware of that. Do you know of any differences between the EFTA and the EU? (Other than that those in the EU get to take part in the formation of laws/regulations/etc and those in the EFTA do not)
Wasn't aware of that. Do you know of any differences between the EFTA and the EU? (Other than that those in the EU get to take part in the formation of laws/regulations/etc and those in the EFTA do not)
EFTA members have free movement of goods, services, capital and people (single market) as usual but we'd pay around £3bn instead of a net £6bn+ at the moment. We'd regain control of trade agreements, fisheries, agriculture, home affairs and justice and the European arrest warrant (though we already have an opt out there). There's no VAT requirement. We inherit about 4,500 laws/regulations (about a quarter of what we have already) and then have to agree to about 40% of new ones each year.
http://www.brugesgroup.com/EFTAorEUQ%26As.pdf
Source is a little biased but broadly factual.
Ukip i would imagine would try to replicate Switzerland so they can stop EU immigration although i would personally actually agree to Justice, ECHR and the EU arrest warrant.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
Yup and Singapore. Soon the US as well.
Yup and Singapore. Soon the US as well.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
Both Norway and Iceland do pay a fee, it's less than a billion though. The UK would have it scaled up for it's population size so it would still be a few billion.
Both Norway and Iceland do pay a fee, it's less than a billion though. The UK would have it scaled up for it's population size so it would still be a few billion.
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So what does EFTA opt you out of if you still have to obey EU regulations and accept free movement of people? It seems like there was no reason for Norway to opt out of the EU and set up/join the EFTA if there are so little differences, doesn't get you out of EU laws etc.
So what does EFTA opt you out of if you still have to obey EU regulations and accept free movement of people? It seems like there was no reason for Norway to opt out of the EU and set up/join the EFTA if there are so little differences, doesn't get you out of EU laws etc.
The differences are even more substantial in the case of Switzerland, which is not a member of the EEA. In effect Switzerland is simply treated as a bilateral treaty partner of the EU, rather than as a member of an overarching organisation.
One thing that interests me in all this is the people pointing out that the EU has a trade deal with South Korea and that this is therefore something valuable provided to us by the EU. Why not apply the logic the other way, and look at South Korea in this agreement rather than at the EU? South Korea is smaller and less wealthy than Britain, much further away and less important as a trade partner for most EU countries. If South Korea can secure a fully bilateral free trade agreement with the EU - and there's no suggestion South Korea has somehow sacrificed its sovereignty to the EU because it can't elect Koreans to the EU Parliament - why expect Britain to do worse? Incidentally South Korea has not granted EU citizens a universal right of residency in their country.
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(Original post by Tamora)
That would be up for negotiation.
That would be up for negotiation.
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I don't think so, it's essentially an entry fee. We'd pay around £3bn per year (about a third of now), we'd just not be waffling about the rebate or who's a net contributor.
I don't think so, it's essentially an entry fee. We'd pay around £3bn per year (about a third of now), we'd just not be waffling about the rebate or who's a net contributor.
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