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I am getting frustrated and more alarmingly brainwashed by this cult of posters with such opinions and sweeping generalisations as:

-All women are *****es at heart

-Only alpha males get women-the leader of the pack

-Nice guys finish last; by nice guy that means anyone with a heart. Nice guys in the genuinie sense of the word, rather than nice as in desperate and manipulative

-When women say they want a nice guy they actually mean they want you to treat them like ****

-Life is **** for men unless you're a ******** so it makes sense actually to be a **** and have no morals, morals and conscience have no place in modern highly individualistic society

-This isn't only applicable for younger men (where I reckon such cynical claims are at least in part true) but most married women will eventually get bored/cheat/divorce as late as their mid to late 30s


I'm not even backing this up with any pseudo-evidence because they've done it all for me. It's just thread after thread of why feminism is a bad thing. In fact it's more than that; it's arguing that morality in itself is a bad thing. It's saying the only route to happiness in life as a man is success, power, control and status; the most obvious way to achieve this being through dominance in a relationship.

If such assumptions were true, every relationship would be a lie, every marriage would fail, every child would come from a broken home, etc. and I just don't see that?

Call me naive but I believe these men are quite bitter and frankly miserable about something?

Inb4 Riku's a whiteknight; please back up your objections with evidence.
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You're right, it's a load of bitter miserable people taking out their frustrations on women instead of addressing their own crippling inadequacies
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You're right, it's a load of bitter miserable people taking out their frustrations on women instead of addressing their own crippling inadequacies
I'm as equally frustrated as their very bleak view on society in general. They must be sooo uptight
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I'm as equally frustrated as their very bleak view on society in general. They must be sooo uptight
I know, they're really unpleasant. Just ignore them, they just want attention
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There's a small number of vocal lolbertarian misogynists making a big splash at the moment. Time will pass, posting trends will change, they'll fade away. I don't think we can take them as indicative of society outside the weird niche of one part of one internet forum.
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I don't think many people actually hold the beliefs you mention. If these are meant to be indicative of the anti-feminism threads on TSR then I think to be fair to them they are a misrepresentation.
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oh no another thread

can we just stop discussing it? its boring now, people are just looking for attention
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Actually, high social expectations for and lots of social promises for men compounded by social pressure to maintain stoic and 'masculine' have led to poor mental health among men and very high suicide rates; or so many theories propose.
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Actually, high social expectations for and lots of social promises for men compounded by social pressure to maintain stoic and 'masculine' have led to poor mental health among men and very high suicide rates; or so many theories propose.
Thoroughly agree; yet the solution is to promote an even more rigid conception of masculinity rather than address these damaging social pressures? That's what gets me goat
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I don't think many people actually hold the beliefs you mention. If these are meant to be indicative of the anti-feminism threads on TSR then I think to be fair to them they are a misrepresentation.
I stuck to the bare bones with sweeping generalisations galore, there are some well-written objections to the misandric sub-movement of modern feminism, but what seems like a flood of outright misogynistic ones to balance that.
As I've said before I think there are sections which have swung too far in the opposite direction, but this misrepresents the feminist community as a whole. On an international scale, there's a lot more work to be done to secure women's rights and gender equality.
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(Original post by ManifoldManifest)
There's a small number of vocal lolbertarian misogynists making a big splash at the moment. Time will pass, posting trends will change, they'll fade away. I don't think we can take them as indicative of society outside the weird niche of one part of one internet forum.
They've been around since at least 2011 when I joined this site :/
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Hook, line, and sinker.
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I'm as equally frustrated as their very bleak view on society in general. They must be sooo uptight
Imo it's a backlash at the way western society has royally ****ed men over. This is just the ugly side of it coming out among disillusioned teens and young adults.
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Imo it's a backlash at the way western society has royally ****ed men over. This is just the ugly side of it coming out among disillusioned teens and young adults.
I'll admit I'm a bit disillusioned having come from a divorced family but really how have men been so ****ed over?
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oh no another thread

can we just stop discussing it? its boring now, people are just looking for attention
erm do you mean these misogynistic threads or the 'why are there so many misogynistic threads?' threads like this?
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erm do you mean these misogynistic threads or the 'why are there so many misogynistic threads?' threads like this?
Both.
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Both.
Fair dues
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Thoroughly agree; yet the solution is to promote an even more rigid conception of masculinity rather than address these damaging social pressures? That's what gets me goat
The solution is to allow men to express their masculinity as they choose. Let them know they don't have to conform to any preconceived idea of masculinity.
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You're right, it's a load of bitter miserable people taking out their frustrations on women instead of addressing their own crippling inadequacies
I think from what I've told you previously that there is a problem with modern young women - no interests, short sighted (look at degrees done) and an expectation for the man to entertain them, and never the other way around.
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Actually, high social expectations for and lots of social promises for men compounded by social pressure to maintain stoic and 'masculine' have led to poor mental health among men and very high suicide rates; or so many theories propose.
Taken from the Samaritans research paper on the topic:

Masculinity – the way men are brought up to behave and the roles, attributes and behaviours that society expects of them – contributes to suicide in men. Men compare themselves against a masculine ‘gold standard’ which prizes power, control and invincibility. When men believe they are not meeting this standard, they feel a sense of shame and defeat. Having a job and being able to provide for your family is central to ‘being a man’, particularly for working class men. Masculinity is associated with control, but when men are depressed or in crisis, they can feel out of control. This can propel some men towards suicidal behaviour as a way of regaining control. Men are more likely to use drugs or alcohol in response to distress.

http://www.samaritans.org/sites/defa...t%20210912.pdf
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