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Salve!

If you're taking the OCR GCSE in Latin (J281 or J081 short course) then this is the thread for you!

So guys:

1. Do you like Latin?

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Yes! I enjoy translating it and the set texts are quite good too!


2. Language or Literature?
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Language. I like translations! But I get better marks in the Literature.


3. Favourite Set Text?
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Sagae thessalae: it's quite funny!


4. What did you get in your mock?
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A*: 47/50 in the Virgil Paper and 55/60 in the Language 2 Paper.


5. Prediction?
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A*


6. Doing A level?
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Nope: Bio, Chem, Physics, Drama, AS Maths


So, if you're taking Latin, pop in and have a chat! We can talk revision for the Summer!

OCR GCSE LATIN – 2013 LITERATURE PAPERS AVAILABLE HERE
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Hi, I'm doing the Higher Tier exam this year and I was just wondering how you are revising for the literature paper? Thanks
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I'd read through the translations and commentaries for all the pieces – for me, the most important thing is to be able to recognise a passage from the Latin, so just cut the text into sections and jumble them up and try translating them. Then in the exam, you'll know what section of the text you're dealing with and then you can remember the commentary for it.

If in doubt, historic present and emphatic positioning. Honestly, if you don't have any style points, just use those two (obviously there must be some, but there usually is!)
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Thanks for your help, also we are preparing for our exams and our teachers has asked us to look at these questions and prepare a rough plan. They are 8-10 mark questions and I was just wondering what structure you think is best for answering them. If it is a 10 marks question, should I find 10 points about the given text or should I find less points and explain them more? Thanks
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Thanks for your help, also we are preparing for our exams and our teachers has asked us to look at these questions and prepare a rough plan. They are 8-10 mark questions and I was just wondering what structure you think is best for answering them. If it is a 10 marks question, should I find 10 points about the given text or should I find less points and explain them more? Thanks
Ten markers:
Minimum 8 points in TOTAL.
At least TWO points must be STYLE.
Must refer to the Latin all the time – correct translations.

Eight markers:
Minimum 6 points.
6 points brilliantly developed or
8 points less well developed
etc.
Need not refer to the Latin – you can use close paraphrase.
You can talk about the Latin too (it could impress the examiner) BUT all translations must be correct
You should refer to passages and extracts from outside the exam paper as well as the passages in the paper – you need to take points from the WHOLE text.

So:
Develop as much as you can: I recommend doing the bare minimum on the 'first pass' through the paper, and once you've finished, go back and add to the 8 and 10 markers.
Make as many points as you can.
Make as many STYLE points as you can.
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(Original post by danconway)
I'd read through the translations and commentaries for all the pieces – for me, the most important thing is to be able to recognise a passage from the Latin, so just cut the text into sections and jumble them up and try translating them. Then in the exam, you'll know what section of the text you're dealing with and then you can remember the commentary for it.
Would you recommend learning the whole translation off by heart, resulting in the ability to recite it off to non-Latiners like a party trick or do you just familiarise yourself to the point where you can simply wing the translation because its only 5 marks?
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Would you recommend learning the whole translation off by heart, resulting in the ability to recite it off to non-Latiners like a party trick or do you just familiarise yourself to the point where you can simply wing the translation because its only 5 marks?
I would learn the translation off by heart if you can be bothered – you can rattle off the translation quickly in the translation question (oh and yes, of course you can enjoy reciting Latin to non-classicists!)

BUT, always be able to match the Latin to the English – that's vital for all of the other questions in the paper!
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I would learn the translation off by heart if you can be bothered – you can rattle off the translation quickly in the translation question (oh and yes, of course you can enjoy reciting Latin to non-classicists!)

BUT, always be able to match the Latin to the English – that's vital for all of the other questions in the paper!
Thank you!
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I haven't started revising the Literature section yet, although I have done some language past papers, because our Lit exams are in early and mid-June. I'm going to start really soon though.
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For me, I'm more worried about the language paper only because some of the more advanced grammar that we have to learn is a bit weak. I have another mock next Friday on Cicero and Livy so I'm going to memorise the pieces and then learn the stylistic features for each section. Which paper are you most worried about?
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I'm fairly confident for the Language papers – been getting consistently low – mid A*s in past papers and mocks. Literature, I tend to do more well in, BUT when I got 47/50 in the mock exam, I had revised pretty well. So, now the challenge is to revise the set texts well enough for the exam – once you learn the text thoroughly, you should be alright; but literature is where I focus my revision now.
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Hi, does anyone have any past GCSE papers for literature as I can't seem to find any for Virgil, Sagae Thessalae or Pliny?
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I have done two sets of language exams for revision and I've gotten 57/60 for the first one and 54/60 for the second one both times. Is the second one supposed to be harder?
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I have done two sets of language exams for revision and I've gotten 57/60 for the first one and 54/60 for the second one both times. Is the second one supposed to be harder?
Yep – the grammar and vocabulary requirements in A401 are limited, and the translations are shorter.
A402 has the full vocab list and they chuck harder grammar in.

It's meant to be harder, don't worry.
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Hi, does anyone have any past GCSE papers for literature as I can't seem to find any for Virgil, Sagae Thessalae or Pliny?
The first time these texts were examined was June 2013. These papers are not available except to centres, so we cannot use them. I've asked my Head of Classics if he could fire them over to me for revision, and if he does, I'd be happy to pass them on – but no, they're not generally available – they're locked up only for Classics teachers to access on the OCR Interchange.
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(Original post by danconway)
The first time these texts were examined was June 2013. These papers are not available except to centres, so we cannot use them. I've asked my Head of Classics if he could fire them over to me for revision, and if he does, I'd be happy to pass them on – but no, they're not generally available – they're locked up only for Classics teachers to access on the OCR Interchange.
Thanks very much for the clarification 😄, I just wasn't sure if they had been used on previous specifications


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Which lit. texts are you doing? I'm doing Cicero, Livy and Virgil.
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Which lit. texts are you doing? I'm doing Cicero, Livy and Virgil.
Same as you bro :cool:
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Have you had any mocks for Cicero or Livy yet? Only that I have one on friday...
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I'm doing Latin too but im absolutely awful, I got 25/50 in my Prose test, 22/50 in verse, 33/60 in Latin language 2 but I got 56/60 in Latin language 1 which is very good but everything else lets it down
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