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Straight Acting Bisexual/Gay guys & coming out when you get to University!

Right guys, I'm Bisexual, and I'm 18, I haven't done anything with a guy in years for certain reasons, mainly, just not pursuing relationships or sex in any way because to a certain degree, I'm not sure if i'm fully happy to be a member of the GBLT Community.

I think I've accepted that I get feelings for guys, however, based on my experience, being gay and out is very off putting to me because the majority of guys I see being open and honest about being gay parade around with flamboyant stereotypes, they are overly camp, they are girly, they look feminine and that's really off putting to me, it dosen't turn me on in the slightest either, in fact it makes me want to move away from being gay as much as possible.

It pains me because, there's quite potentially a huge number of guys in the same position, straight acting guys who want straight acting guys. They don't want to ruin their "reputation" , maybe it's an ego thing, but i certainly would be perceived as being a very manly straight acting guy, albeit im a little theatrical when i want to be.

I have a fear that I might go into old age, and have missed many years of my youth where i could be getting action, meeting new guys, maybe having a relationship. I also fear that if I come out now as a young lad, it might be very hard to shift it once it's out of the can. What if it destroys my career and future life? I'll always be labelled as gay in conversation, people may stop being friends with me for fear of them being labeled gay for hanging around me.

If there's any guys out there who feel me, please leave a little reply with some tips or advice. I'm not in denial I'm just unsure of what way to go.

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I (MYSELF PERSONALLY), wait around a year before coming out to friends so they know me for who I am rather than what I am (hence my sig).
My first coming out experience was when I was 17 (parents still don't know) and that was to friends who, to be honest were kinda shocked because I apparently "don't look gay" and while I don't like sports/watch football, I am more or less the average guy.

I was tempted personally to join the LGBT society but chose not to join in the end simply because I wouldn't join a society for being white, brown hair, green eyes or 5'7...
Why join a society for reasons that are down to biology rather than what make you as a person unique? - My logic.

Sure, go if you want and then see what happens, you don't have to stick but at least you will get the feeling of community. I can tell you University is by FAR the most diverse society you will ever see. EVER.

EDIT:
Have been at university since September last year and currently only 2 people know because, to be honest, I came out in a somewhat joking manor and never expected them to take me seriously. - Hell, one even knows I like him, he knows I wouldn't do anything and so it doesn't seem to have changed anything because I still get asked if I wanna go out, library for revision etc... - I kept saying I am gonna tell him and I eventually just kept putting it off until I got tired of it and just said it so I couldn't give myself an excuse not to anymore.

Will likely come out to everyone around Christmas though (parents are another story...)
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Reply 2
Think about going to BiCon (it's in Leeds this year).

While there are obviously some camp guys around, they're the ones who are more noticeable. The 'straight acting' ones are more invisible, but if you have a look at anywhere like the main same-sex dating sites, there's lots of them (us!) and also lots of demand.

Coming out is not going to destroy your career unless you want to be a Catholic priest or similar (and there are enough gay and bisexual men who are that even then, it's clearly not a major problem!) In any case, who you come out to is up to you.

Unless you're on a highly specialised vocational course, you're also likely to never see the vast bulk of people you meet at university ever again. This is one reason why some people go wild there.
Reply 3
Original post by Scienceisgood
I (MYSELF PERSONALLY), wait around a year before coming out to friends so they know me for who I am rather than what I am (hence my sig).
My first coming out experience was when I was 17 (parents still don't know) and that was to friends who, to be honest were kinda shocked because I apparently "don't look gay" and while I don't like sports/watch football, I am more or less the average guy.

I was tempted personally to join the LGBT society but chose not to join in the end simply because I wouldn't join a society for being white, brown hair, green eyes or 5'7...
Why join a society for reasons that are down to biology rather than what make you as a person unique? - My logic.

Sure, go if you want and then see what happens, you don't have to stick but at least you will get the feeling of community. I can tell you University is by FAR the most diverse society you will ever see. EVER.

EDIT:
Have been at university since September last year and currently only 2 people know because, to be honest, I came out in a somewhat joking manor and never expected them to take me seriously. - Hell, one even knows I like him, he knows I wouldn't do anything and so it doesn't seem to have changed anything because I still get asked if I wanna go out, library for revision etc... - I kept saying I am gonna tell him and I eventually just kept putting it off until I got tired of it and just said it so I couldn't give myself an excuse not to anymore.

Will likely come out to everyone around Christmas though (parents are another story...)


That's a very interesting way of looking at it man, thanks! I hadn't really thought about it like that, you don't try and justify being white, or blue eyed or tall, there seems to be this huge pressure of, oh I'm gay I need to tell everyone I know, get it all out so everyone knows, f sake can't we all just be?!

I might leave telling people for a while, people I like i mean. what i'm currently doing in the college I'm at now, is keeping my head down, and playing it very low key. I haven't really made any big performances or dramatics to suggest that I am gay, but I haven't really provided evidence that I'm straight and engage in sexual activities with girls *(i know not everyone is in the sack every weekend, I'm just saying it's rare to hear me talk about things like that).

There are a few guys in my class that i quite like flirting with every now and again. based on the body language responses I'd say 1 maybe 2 MIGHT... MIGHT be worth pursuing because 1 told me I'm very attractive, and a tease, and the other sends me Xs in the ends of every message and continues to ask me "When are we next going out? I'll be moving to Uni next year, we need to get a drink" etc regularly.

I mean a good number of people know and are okay with it, but i haven't slept around in years and i want an active sex life again! thanks 4 the tips though!
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Reply 4
Original post by unprinted
Think about going to BiCon (it's in Leeds this year).

While there are obviously some camp guys around, they're the ones who are more noticeable. The 'straight acting' ones are more invisible, but if you have a look at anywhere like the main same-sex dating sites, there's lots of them (us!) and also lots of demand.

Coming out is not going to destroy your career unless you want to be a Catholic priest or similar (and there are enough gay and bisexual men who are that even then, it's clearly not a major problem!) In any case, who you come out to is up to you.

Unless you're on a highly specialised vocational course, you're also likely to never see the vast bulk of people you meet at university ever again. This is one reason why some people go wild there.


Catholic Priest was the idea man, haha! I'm doing media studies, and want to go into acting, funny enough, or media studies if i haven't got the courage. :cool: I know a lot of actors may be gay without people knowing, thus being an effective Actor! But even actors, you don't see a Gay actor being the big hero of a superhero film, or the manly role in an action film, they just don't get offered those roles. I might just stick to media studies. i'll check out this BiCon thing, did you go before?
Reply 5
Are there any straight men on your course? :smile: It may be slightly different with media studies, but it would be difficult to throw a ball in a drama class without hitting someone LGBT.

Yes, I've been to BiCon.
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Original post by unprinted
Are there any straight men on your course? :smile: It may be slightly different with media studies, but it would be difficult to throw a ball in a drama class without hitting someone LGBT.

Yes, I've been to BiCon.


I'm pretty sure they are all straight! :wink:

Haha, yeah i just read some article i found on one of these similar topics that said actor Tom Hardy had some flings in his time, and he's a pretty butch lad! media students seem to have slight quirky edges to them, also a bit more open minded, Im comfortable around them, sure there's a few *******s but that's life! I think, I will just (as usual) go through life without letting it be something that i "NEED" to tell people, i mean it's not a disease, they aint gonna catch it off me, i suppose one of the main things i worry about is i fear making friends with a guy, then the relationship suffering because of that issue. I know if they are true friends they won't care, and if they didn't know that before about me, well it dosen't change anything, im still the same. I just think some guys have a nerve, it's like they think as soon as someone admits they are gay they automatically run the risk of getting raped or something,
Reply 7
I don't doubt that they think you are straight, but I would be amazed if all of them were.

If all the gay and bisexual actors quit tomorrow, there would barely be a play or film not looking for a replacements. Even with 'big heroes of superhero films', we are now at a stage where James Bond can very strongly imply (in Skyfall) that he's been sexual with men or at least isn't bothered if someone thinks he has.

It's the same sort of man that thinks that any woman not interested in having sex with him must be a lesbian...
Reply 8
Original post by unprinted
I don't doubt that they think you are straight, but I would be amazed if all of them were.

If all the gay and bisexual actors quit tomorrow, there would barely be a play or film not looking for a replacements. Even with 'big heroes of superhero films', we are now at a stage where James Bond can very strongly imply (in Skyfall) that he's been sexual with men or at least isn't bothered if someone thinks he has.

It's the same sort of man that thinks that any woman not interested in having sex with him must be a lesbian...


Very true man, I've been considering wether acting would appeal to me better than film making and media, get more in touch with my natural theatrical streak, I would need to seriously break down my ego first though to take things like monologues and dramatic theatre roles seriously, that might sound confusing but there's a childishness in me that comes about when I have to act in certain roles, i'm a bit too straight acting when it comes to getting all "song and dance" type roles because there is always that "i don't want to look or sound gay" type thing in the back of my mind, - let me just state, i am not in denial here, i'm just not as ready to come forth as others. Personally, i feel my little 'straight acting' type mindset works in favor when it comes to anything drama or acting related, i try to find a line between manly seriousness and drama!

Very true about Skyfall as well, i was pleased they added that in, each time a new manly actor stands in the spot light for a gay role character or even just a scene or a reference boosts knocking back the old campy stereotypes of GLBT world! :colone:
When I started University I was in denial of my sexuality, trying to pretend that I was 'straight' and that I was something that I am not. This was obviously not who I am, it took me until halfway through my second year to decide to 'come out' to my friends. I haven't had a negative experience yet. I would not say that I am a 'flamboyant gay' who runs around heralding to everyone what my sexuality is or is not.

I think when I came to the point of accepting my sexuality was when I was able to 'come out' and tell my select friends, that I am gay. I was quite nervous of telling my friends that I am gay but they put my mind at ease by saying that they weren't that bothered by my sexuality as that isn't important it is about who I am. Obviously, this sounds all lovely but there are some people out there who oppose this notion of difference.

I think for me, accepting myself first was an important step in understanding what my sexuality is and the majority of the time, I either forget that I am gay or remember that people know. I found that before I saw it as a 'big secret' that no one could know and now I have just accepted it.

The idea of 'straight acting gays/guys' defeats itself it isn't the 'straight' quality, that individuals are after but the masculinity that you/I find attractive. I still prefer masculine men to feminine men as otherwise you might as well be with a woman.

The whole notion of 'destroying my career' is unlikely to happen unless you decide to pronounce it to every person in the world. Yes, it can be a concern of will they think less off me because I am gay/bi, maybe but if you are masculine in nature, the only way they will know is if you tell them. Work is work and home is home.

When you move to a new town for university people will only presume you are 'straight' it is the beauty of our heteronormative society and that means that you can test the water, get to know people judge their character and tell them if you feel it necessary.

It is not as much something to proclaim to at the beginning of a conversation but something you share with friends if you trust them. Sorry, for it being such a long post. :smile:
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Original post by FenceDoor123
When I started University I was in denial of my sexuality, trying to pretend that I was 'straight' and that I was something that I am not. This was obviously not who I am, it took me until halfway through my second year to decide to 'come out' to my friends. I haven't had a negative experience yet. I would not say that I am a 'flamboyant gay' who runs around heralding to everyone what my sexuality is or is not.

I think when I came to the point of accepting my sexuality was when I was able to 'come out' and tell my select friends, that I am gay. I was quite nervous of telling my friends that I am gay but they put my mind at ease by saying that they weren't that bothered by my sexuality as that isn't important it is about who I am. Obviously, this sounds all lovely but there are some people out there who oppose this notion of difference.

I think for me, accepting myself first was an important step in understanding what my sexuality is and the majority of the time, I either forget that I am gay or remember that people know. I found that before I saw it as a 'big secret' that no one could know and now I have just accepted it.

The idea of 'straight acting gays/guys' defeats itself it isn't the 'straight' quality, that individuals are after but the masculinity that you/I find attractive. I still prefer masculine men to feminine men as otherwise you might as well be with a woman.

The whole notion of 'destroying my career' is unlikely to happen unless you decide to pronounce it to every person in the world. Yes, it can be a concern of will they think less off me because I am gay/bi, maybe but if you are masculine in nature, the only way they will know is if you tell them. Work is work and home is home.

When you move to a new town for university people will only presume you are 'straight' it is the beauty of our heteronormative society and that means that you can test the water, get to know people judge their character and tell them if you feel it necessary.

It is not as much something to proclaim to at the beginning of a conversation but something you share with friends if you trust them. Sorry, for it being such a long post. :smile:


No worries, I really appreciate the message, gave me a good insight to someone else's experience!
You're right about waiting to judge people's characters first then telling them if I feel right. I guess i just get a little depressed when people are asking me questions about having sex with girls or feeling really attracted to them as the pass or sit down next to me. I feel like I'm kidding myself, the people I am talking too and putting on a big act. It kind of repels on me, i start thinking internally, usually the little burst of thoughts i get when a situation like that happens is;

1. Yes, that girl was hot but i don't want to have sex with her straight away after seeing her, the feeling just isn't there.

2. Am I kidding myself and these people by just going along with them "Yeah she's a ride" etc, I'm not really being truthful about my feelings but i don't want to get into this whole big explanation right now.

3. They think I'm straight but they also are confirming that they are straight which might mean i could never really get 'involved' with them, they appear too straight on the surface, give up any feelings or hopes i had about some of them perhaps being curious themselves.

I know i'm still young but it always feel unhealthy, especially on my mental health, i defo feel it's effect!
I've always been confused as to how people act straight/gay though?

Am I fake gay or something?! :eek:
If so, how do I fix this?!
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'Straight acting' = 'not camp'. It's almost that simple.
Reply 13
I've known that I'm gay at least since the age of eleven, and, although I've only come out recently (I'm nearly 20) I never went to great lengths to hide it - I've never had a girlfriend for example, or made a serious attempt to get one. As for fitting the stereotype, I don't really. I have macho interests, am not overly metrosexual, etc.

My friends have been fairly supportive and they don't seem too concerned about hanging around with a gay guy, but maybe that varies.
I realise I'm a bit late joining this thread, but I find myself in the same position as the op.
I'm bisexual (wow it feels good to say that 😃) I've known this for years.
I've just finished my first year of uni where I've only acted on straight desires (that is a really bad turn of phrase). I've only acted straight at home as well so far.
However this is tearing me up, I have no idea how people will react, especially at home. Yet I feel that I need to do something and I want to do something about it. I just don't know what or how.
OP have you come out or done anything since this thread?
Or anyone else with any advice would be much appreciated


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Reply 15
I'm on the Bi bus, too - I had a girlfriend for nearly 4 years, discovered that I was bisexual half way though the relationship and didn't really think about it at all until I kissed a mate at a party. I decided that I was curious, told my girlfriend, and we decided to break up shortly afterwards.

I was kinda cut up about breaking up with her, since I wanted to stay with her, but I owed it to us both to be honest about how I felt and to be more sure of myself before I go into any more serious relationships. As such, I hope that, when I (hopefully :crossedf:) get into an Eng. Lang/Lit. combined course at Swansea in September, I can explore (not a fan of that word) how I feel about guys.

I'm not overly 'camp', though I do have a large group of female friends with who I go for coffee and shopping trips and play the 'gay-friend' role, but there-besides I'm more of a musician type, so make of that what you will.

Is uni really a place where there's opportunity to explore your sexuality in this way?
Original post by Dctrhu
Is uni really a place where there's opportunity to explore your sexuality in this way?


Yes.
Reply 17
Original post by unprinted
Yes.



That's good to know - a lot of people say a lot of things about how university is a big opportunity to have the experiences that you want and, maybe, couldn't have had back at home, but you never know if that's entirely true.
I really hate the desirability and supposed superiority of 'straight acting' (emphasis on the word 'acting') and usually find the preference for such is linked to a persons own insecurities. For example, the OP sounds like someone not at ease with their own sexuality and their apparent dislike of 'camp' stems from the fact that they feel threatened by those comfortable with their sexuality (more flamboyant homosexuals) as they fear that this person has the ability to out them. I also feel that the term 'bisexual' is used very loosely in this thread and as a safety blanket, because when the time comes and they come out; in most cases this is a pre-cursor for coming out as gay. It's kind of like 'Hi everyone, I'm bi... Yes, I like boys, BUT I STILL LIKE GIRLS AND WILL HAVE KIDS ONE DAY MUM AND DAD'.

The "feminine" guy is misrepresented here as something negative. As a matter of fact, they have more balls than some of you ever will having endured years of bullying and numerous other obstacles created by swines; which you have not had to deal with. Just let that sink in, remember it and maybe you'll think a little differently of them. Also, OP, you are so young and social status is of great worth, but I am confident that with age and maturity you will respect people as individuals and not as representatives of an entire community. I never cared much for camp guys, but the older I get, the more my ability to look past such trivialities is heightened. In saying that, if you're only looking for a blowjob in a Tesco car park as opposed to something serious with a guy, then by all means continue to be selective.

As for destroying any potential career... Wow.
Reply 19
The phrase straight acting makes me want to vomit all over myself.

That aside, there are plenty of gay and bisexual men who are not camp. Seriously. There. Are. Plenty. But unless you put yourself in a situation where you are more likely to meet more gay and bisexual men then you're unlikely to a. meet those men and b. know that they are gay or bisexual.

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