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At my school, the head teacher just expelled a Sixth Form student for tweeting something about their staff. Even though the student's twitter profile was on private. They tweeted "I ****ing hate [insert name here], the ****ing lezza." They got their hands on this tweet, because someone following that person took a picture and sent it to the head teacher... (Does this sound like harassment, a vendetta, bullying perhaps?)

So the head teacher said the tweet was "abusive." That the student "had no morals" and said "and you want to become a teacher(?) ppfft!"

Does the head teacher have a right to breach this terms of service privacy of the tweeter and spit such venom on the student? Not forgetting freedom of speech act?
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Not forgetting freedom of speech act?
Fortunately "freedom of speech" (if it even exists) does not allow for abusing another person, particularly homophobic abuse.

The head is protecting her member of staff.
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Fortunately "freedom of speech" (if it even exists) does not allow for abusing another person, particularly homophobic abuse.

The head is protecting her member of staff.
Freedom of speech, deformation Act. How would it be a homophobic abuse if that student were a homosexual themselves?

Protecting her against what?
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I think they can? :dontknow: someone at my school made an account dedicated to tweeting about teachers and whilst they didn't get expelled, they did get suspended. It's a bit silly to think you'll get away with it, especially as you'll get students who will tell the teachers.

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Oh well, he shouldn't have done that..
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Freedom of speech does not extend to homophobic abuse.
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(Original post by Cool_JordH)
At my school, the head teacher just expelled a Sixth Form student for tweeting something about their staff. Even though the student's twitter profile was on private. They tweeted "I ****ing hate [insert name here], the ****ing lezza." They got their hands on this tweet, because someone following that person took a picture and sent it to the head teacher... (Does this sound like harassment, a vendetta, bullying perhaps?)

So the head teacher said the tweet was "abusive." That the student "had no morals" and said "and you want to become a teacher(?) ppfft!"

Does the head teacher have a right to breach this terms of service privacy of the tweeter and spit such venom on the student? Not forgetting freedom of speech act?

I dont think thats a valid reason to expel a student
someone at my former school recorded one of the teachers and started taking the piss out of her the school saw the video, made here delete it and kicked her out for 2 weeks.
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(Original post by Cool_JordH)
At my school, the head teacher just expelled a Sixth Form student for tweeting something about their staff. Even though the student's twitter profile was on private. They tweeted "I ****ing hate [insert name here], the ****ing lezza." They got their hands on this tweet, because someone following that person took a picture and sent it to the head teacher... (Does this sound like harassment, a vendetta, bullying perhaps?)

So the head teacher said the tweet was "abusive." That the student "had no morals" and said "and you want to become a teacher(?) ppfft!"

Does the head teacher have a right to breach this terms of service privacy of the tweeter and spit such venom on the student? Not forgetting freedom of speech act?
I dont think thats a valid reason to expel a student.
someone at my former school recorded one of the teachers and started taking the piss out of her the school saw the video, made here delete it and kicked her out for 2 weeks.
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Well dude, come on! Disrepecting a teacher like that, obviously goes against the rules of the institution, and as a result they have every right to expell the student. Having said that, I don't think he/she should have been expelled, because to me this sort of thing happens all the time, there needs to be more tolerance. In terms of privacy, that argument is just plain invalid. A tweet is for the public, and school officials are part of the public. People get arrested using things they post on facebook etc, why can't we apply the same principle here? But again, I think it's not as serious as they make it out to be. Suspension, yes; Expulsion, a bit far, especially if the person hasn't been reprimanded before
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I`m not an expert but i`m pretty sure you dont have an expectation of privacy when you post stuff online
No, there is if your twitter account is protected (private account).
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Freedom of speech, deformation Act.
:laugh: Really not sure if serious.

And what "terms of service privacy of the tweeter" are you referring to? If you're talking terms of service then perhaps you ought to consider what Twitter say about abuse? Moreoever, as far as I can tell Twitter did not disclose the personal identity of the user.

How would it be a homophobic abuse if that student were a homosexual themselves?
Homophobic abuse can still come from a person who identifies as LGBT themselves. Besides, whether homophobic or not, abuse is still abuse.

The school would have probably been within their rights to contact the place, have the IP address traced, and charges made.

A teacher has a right to work in as stress free an environment as possible and not be the victim of such pathetic, childish, and potentially damaging abuse.
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You have to sign a code of conduct for most non-compulsory education, I imagine this broke the school's required code of conduct so they are within their rights to expel the student.
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Well dude, come on! Disrepecting a teacher like that, obviously goes against the rules of the institution, and as a result they have every right to expell the student. Having said that, I don't think he/she should have been expelled, because to me this sort of thing happens all the time, there needs to be more tolerance. In terms of privacy, that argument is just plain invalid. A tweet is for the public, and school officials are part of the public. People get arrested using things they post on facebook etc, why can't we apply the same principle here? But again, I think it's not as serious as they make it out to be. Suspension, yes; Expulsion, a bit far, especially if the person hasn't been reprimanded before
But the argument isn't invalid since this person's twitter was on private? Then again, someone did show the head teacher. However, an incident did happen last week where this person got into trouble for making an "indirect tweet" about a student. However, since it was indirect, it could be argued it wasn't about that student. But anyway, if it is a private account then surely they don't have a right to read that tweet since it was done in confidence - not intending to be shown by nobody but that person's followers?
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Pretty sure its not. There was a case recently at an employment tribunal and IIRC facebook messages were used as evidence in a disciplinary hearing and the employee went to the tribunal on the basis that they were private and lost. I`ll see if i can find the email.
I don't know if this is true, but isn't the private setting on Facebook differ from Twitter?
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I'd imagine an appeal would be able to reduce it to a fixed-term exclusion unless this represents persistent poor behaviour from this student. Has the student been excluded a lot of times before?
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:laugh: Really not sure if serious.

And what "terms of service privacy of the tweeter" are you referring to? If you're talking terms of service then perhaps you ought to consider what Twitter say about abuse? Moreoever, as far as I can tell Twitter did not disclose the personal identity of the user.



Homophobic abuse can still come from a person who identifies as LGBT themselves. Besides, whether homophobic or not, abuse is still abuse.

The school would have probably been within their rights to contact the place, have the IP address traced, and charges made.

A teacher has a right to work in as stress free an environment as possible and not be the victim of such pathetic, childish, and potentially damaging abuse.
Defamation Act 2013: Honest Opinion.

From Twitter:

  • Targeted Abuse: You may not engage in targeted abuse or harassment. Some of the factors that we take into account when determining what conduct is considered to be targeted abuse or harassment are:
    • if you are sending messages to a user from multiple accounts;
    • if the sole purpose of your account is to send abusive messages to others;
    • if the reported behavior is one-sided or includes threats

I don't think it's within the school's right - a form of harassment perhaps?

And they are not a victim of anything that they do not know of.
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sounds like the kid was just venting his ideas on twitter.

that's a brutal punishment
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(Original post by Cool_JordH)
But the argument isn't invalid since this person's twitter was on private? Then again, someone did show the head teacher. However, an incident did happen last week where this person got into trouble for making an "indirect tweet" about a student. However, since it was indirect, it could be argued it wasn't about that student. But anyway, if it is a private account then surely they don't have a right to read that tweet since it was done in confidence - not intending to be shown by nobody but that person's followers?
So this person knew that things they tweeted were being made public and stll sent an abusive tweet? Too dumb for school?
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Excellent decision of the school to exclude said student.
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(Original post by Cool_JordH)
Defamation Act 2013: Honest Opinion.
Doesn't apply as far as I'm aware but I'm not a lawyer.

And they are not a victim of anything that they do not know of.
Yes, they are. Besides, they are clearly aware of the incident...

It really doesn't matter if the tweet was private. It was still seen by several individuals and sent electronically, potentially to hundreds or thousands of people across the world. Once you put something out onto the Internet, it's out there. A permanent record is made. This can easily be distributed to people who that person wouldn't want to the tweet to be seen by.

It was stupid, immature and careless of the student. They should accept the consequences.
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