GIving several attempts in the exam?

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In the M1, exam I've been told you can attempt a question several times, and if you don't cross any of them out, then the examiner will mark all the attempts and choose the one which gives you the highest mark. Is this true? If so, would you be allowed to do this in the C1/2/3/4 exams?

EDIT: I probably should've mentioned I'm on Edexcel :P
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In the M1, exam I've been told you can attempt a question several times, and if you don't cross any of them out, then the examiner will mark all the attempts and choose the one which gives you the highest mark. Is this true? If so, would you be allowed to do this in the C1/2/3/4 exams?
I did this in the C2 exam last june, got two different answers and still got full marks so I guess so. (I just checked the script, this was definitely the case).
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Depends on your board.

I know for Ocr at least, they are told to mark your most 'complete' solution, or if that isn't obvious, your most recent one.

Generally I'd discourage you from leaving multiple solutions, better just cross out the one that you think is probably wrong.
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I've also heard that if you cross your solution out, but its still viable for marks, and you have no other written solution down, if the examiner can read whats under your crossing out, he can mark it, not sure on this, but I've heard it a lot.
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(Original post by BankOfPigs)
I know for Ocr at least, they are told to mark your most 'complete' solution, or if that isn't obvious, your most recent one.
I'm an OCR Examiner and that isn't quite right.

Here's the 'Rules for replaced work':

"If a candidate attempts a question more than once, and indicates which attempt he/she wishes to be marked, then examiners should do as the candidate requests.

If there are two or more attempts at a question which have not been crossed out, examiners should mark what appears to be the last (complete) attempt and ignore the others."
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(Original post by Phichi)
I've also heard that if you cross your solution out, but its still viable for marks, and you have no other written solution down, if the examiner can read whats under your crossing out, he can mark it, not sure on this, but I've heard it a lot.
We try to award marks where possible. For OCR:

"Work crossed out

a. where a candidate crosses out an answer and provides an alternative response, the crossed out response is not marked and gains no marks

b. if a candidate crosses out an answer to a whole question and makes no second attempt, and if the inclusion of the answer does not cause a rubric infringement, the assessor should attempt to mark the crossed out answer and award marks appropriately."
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I'm an OCR Examiner and that isn't quite right.

Here's the 'Rules for replaced work':

"If a candidate attempts a question more than once, and indicates which attempt he/she wishes to be marked, then examiners should do as the candidate requests.

If there are two or more attempts at a question which have not been crossed out, examiners should mark what appears to be the last (complete) attempt and ignore the others."
What if the candidate says he/she wants all of the attempts to be marked? Also, I don't suppose you know what the rules are for Edexcel regarding this? :cool:
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What if the candidate says he/she wants all of the attempts to be marked? Also, I don't suppose you know what the rules are for Edexcel regarding this? :cool:
Basically like saying, putting down the numbers 1-10 for an answer and hoping one of them is right ?
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We try to award marks where possible. For OCR:

"Work crossed out

a. where a candidate crosses out an answer and provides an alternative response, the crossed out response is not marked and gains no marks

b. if a candidate crosses out an answer to a whole question and makes no second attempt, and if the inclusion of the answer does not cause a rubric infringement, the assessor should attempt to mark the crossed out answer and award marks appropriately."
Hi, what does the bolded and underlined mean? =)
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Basically like saying, putting down the numbers 1-10 for an answer and hoping one of them is right ?
Attempting the question using one method, then doing the question again using a different method, but then finding that the the answers don't match so you keep both of them for instance
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Attempting the question using one method, then doing the question again using a different method, but then finding that the the answers don't match so you keep both of them for instance
That'll never be allowed, you could use 5 methods, get 5 answers, and just pray one is right. Not showing any knowledge that you truly know what you're doing.
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(Original post by bobbricks)
Attempting the question using one method, then doing the question again using a different method, but then finding that the the answers don't match so you keep both of them for instance
The last time I checked this with a marking team leader at edexcel (18 months ago) he said that that if two attempts were made they would mark both and then award the marks from the best attempt.

I did not ask what they would do in the unlikely event you made 5 different attempts and left them all for the marker to deal with.


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That'll never be allowed, you could use 5 methods, get 5 answers, and just pray one is right. Not showing any knowledge that you truly know what you're doing.
In the January 2013 M1 mark scheme it says:
If a candidate makes more than
one attempt at any question:

If all but one attempt is crossed out,
mark the attempt which is NOT crossed
out.

If either all attempts are crossed out or none are crossed out, mark all the
attempts and score the highest single attempt
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What if the candidate says he/she wants all of the attempts to be marked? Also, I don't suppose you know what the rules are for Edexcel regarding this? :cool:
If they say they want all to be marked then the last one will be marked. The Edexcel rules are not the same - I seem to recall that multiple marking is permitted.

Edit: In fact the quote in the post above confirms that.
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What's happening to exams these days, utterly disappointing, if all attempts are marked, does this really show a student understanding, instead of recital of methods in the hope they get an answer right?
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What's happening to exams these days, utterly disappointing, if all attempts are marked, does this really show a student understanding, instead of recital of methods in the hope they get an answer right?
They should apply the same principle to driving tests - if you go through a red light and kill a pedestrian, you should be able to go back round in a loop and wait until the light is green so you can get the 'pass marks'
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They should apply the same principle to driving tests - if you go through a red light and kill a pedestrian, you should be able to go back round in a loop and wait until the light is green so you can get the 'pass marks'
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