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90 hours community service? That's a ludicrously light sentence; women who make false accusations of rape should face a sentence similar to that of rape.
By making that false accusation, you are raping someone's reputation, putting an innocent person at risk of years in prison. It's just as damaging
An adult toys saleswoman had sex with two men and then claimed she had been raped, a court has heard.
Kimberley Wheelhouse was sentenced to 90 hours of unpaid community work as an alternative to imprisonment after pleading guilty to making the false claims.
Kimberley Wheelhouse was sentenced to 90 hours of unpaid community work as an alternative to imprisonment after pleading guilty to making the false claims.
By making that false accusation, you are raping someone's reputation, putting an innocent person at risk of years in prison. It's just as damaging
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(Original post by MostUncivilised)
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/271195-k...o-men-of-rape/
90 hours community service? That's a ludicrously light sentence; women who make false accusations of rape should face a sentence similar to that of rape.
By making that false accusation, you are raping someone's reputation, putting an innocent person at risk of years in prison. It's just as damaging
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/271195-k...o-men-of-rape/
90 hours community service? That's a ludicrously light sentence; women who make false accusations of rape should face a sentence similar to that of rape.
By making that false accusation, you are raping someone's reputation, putting an innocent person at risk of years in prison. It's just as damaging
Justice system in this country is ridiculous tbh.
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Should get exactly the same sentence as the poor man would have got if he was found guilty.
Women who make false accusations are in the vast minority, despite what the media will have you believe. However they are just as bad as the rapists themselves.
Women who make false accusations are in the vast minority, despite what the media will have you believe. However they are just as bad as the rapists themselves.
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ye should be equal sentence to rape. It's like framing someone for murder. Perverting the course of justice etc.
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Why when it's a rape case do false accusations suddenly become necessary to have the same sentence as the crime they are accusing somebody of? You don't hear people shouting that somebody should get a life sentence if they falsely accuse somebody of being a murderer. I find it quite odd. False accusations are abhorrent but as far as I know false accusations of any crime don't carry a particularly high sentence. Why should this be different?
Also I don't buy into the "ruining an innocent man's life" thing, when somebody is found guilty of false accusations then the accused is obviously innocent within a court of law. Going through a court case can be traumatic but I doubt it constitutes a ruined life by any means.
Also I don't buy into the "ruining an innocent man's life" thing, when somebody is found guilty of false accusations then the accused is obviously innocent within a court of law. Going through a court case can be traumatic but I doubt it constitutes a ruined life by any means.
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About two handfuls? :P
I don't think anyone will disagree that this is despicable, that false criers of 'rape' are horrific and abusing their own society and rights... it gets picked up by the media and puts real victims at risk and through further suffering and it sullies the name of innocent men. It also drags feminism waaaay down, obviously.
However, it is not on par with an actual rape in this particular example, in my opinion. I do think that her mental health is a factor that should be considered, as with any criminal. This is not the same as those that condemn men through months of court cases, who are malicious and wholeheartedly in the accusation.
I think punishment should be monetary and very large, and alongside many hours of strict community service. In an ideal world it would go the victims and to rape survivor charities? Ideal worlds... I don't think she should go to prison, because it's not that the criminal must be kept off the streets 'or else' - as it would with someone who has committed assault or murder or theft, someone who needs to be removed from their stimuli. 'Our money' etc taxpayer argument blah, shouldn't go to housing and feeding her when a punishment could be completed by a severe fine and strict hours.
I don't think anyone will disagree that this is despicable, that false criers of 'rape' are horrific and abusing their own society and rights... it gets picked up by the media and puts real victims at risk and through further suffering and it sullies the name of innocent men. It also drags feminism waaaay down, obviously.
However, it is not on par with an actual rape in this particular example, in my opinion. I do think that her mental health is a factor that should be considered, as with any criminal. This is not the same as those that condemn men through months of court cases, who are malicious and wholeheartedly in the accusation.
I think punishment should be monetary and very large, and alongside many hours of strict community service. In an ideal world it would go the victims and to rape survivor charities? Ideal worlds... I don't think she should go to prison, because it's not that the criminal must be kept off the streets 'or else' - as it would with someone who has committed assault or murder or theft, someone who needs to be removed from their stimuli. 'Our money' etc taxpayer argument blah, shouldn't go to housing and feeding her when a punishment could be completed by a severe fine and strict hours.
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(Original post by Messalina)
Why when it's a rape case do false accusations suddenly become necessary to have the same sentence as the crime they are accusing somebody of?
Why when it's a rape case do false accusations suddenly become necessary to have the same sentence as the crime they are accusing somebody of?
You don't hear people shouting that somebody should get a life sentence if they falsely accuse somebody of being a murderer
Also I don't buy into the "ruining an innocent man's life" thing, when somebody is found guilty of false accusations then the accused is obviously innocent within a court of law. Going through a court case can be traumatic but I doubt it constitutes a ruined life by any means
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(Original post by awe)
I don't think she should go to prison, because it's not that the criminal must be kept off the streets 'or else' - as it would with someone who has committed assault or murder or theft.
I don't think she should go to prison, because it's not that the criminal must be kept off the streets 'or else' - as it would with someone who has committed assault or murder or theft.
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i watched this youtuube clip a while ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVW3FwJ7vTc
this woman ruined his life by accusing him of raping her, 2 decades later she admits she lied about it and probably nothing happened to her.
this woman ruined his life by accusing him of raping her, 2 decades later she admits she lied about it and probably nothing happened to her.
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(Original post by MostUncivilised)
I didn't say that. I'm merely saying that a false accusation of rape and a rape are roughly equal.
I didn't say that. I'm merely saying that a false accusation of rape and a rape are roughly equal.
Falsely accusing someone of murder should probably carry the same sentence as a rape. The distinction is that a man falsely accused of rape is particularly liable to being imprisoned, unlike falsely accusing someone of murder where the police probably won't act without corroborating evidence.
So you're saying being falsely imprisoned for years doesn't ruin your life?
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(Original post by MostUncivilised)
Protecting the community is not the only purpose of the justice system, deterring similar offences by harsh punishment is a legitimate consideration
Protecting the community is not the only purpose of the justice system, deterring similar offences by harsh punishment is a legitimate consideration
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(Original post by Algorithm69)
All you need to do, my dear, is look up any newspaper articles dealing with false rape accusations where they interview the victim. One theme always comes up: the man's life was ruined. A rape allegation is akin to being labelled a paedophile. It never goes away. Men lose their wives, their friends, and their jobs as a result. Or you could just research what Craig Charles went through.
Wilful ignorance. Purposefully dumb.
All you need to do, my dear, is look up any newspaper articles dealing with false rape accusations where they interview the victim. One theme always comes up: the man's life was ruined. A rape allegation is akin to being labelled a paedophile. It never goes away. Men lose their wives, their friends, and their jobs as a result. Or you could just research what Craig Charles went through.
Wilful ignorance. Purposefully dumb.
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(Original post by Messalina)
In your eyes. In my eyes, a false accusation is nowhere near as bad as being raped. Words =/= vicious and violent non consensual sex. They are not equal. They are decidedly unequal.
In your eyes. In my eyes, a false accusation is nowhere near as bad as being raped. Words =/= vicious and violent non consensual sex. They are not equal. They are decidedly unequal.
I'm saying that it's far far less common than rape
which in my eyes is far more violent, traumatising and distressing to go through
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Wait. If I accuse someone of stabbing me and it turns out to be someone else, I don't go to jail.
Making false accusations should carry no charge. We should just have confidentiality for the accused.
Making false accusations should carry no charge. We should just have confidentiality for the accused.
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I'm unsure about this one.
I don't think the jail term should necessarily be high. It is after all just a malicious accusation.
It does however impact the accused lost term and substantially.
Therefore a civil case with substantial power to strip her of everything she owns [including future earnings] should be brought.
I don't think the jail term should necessarily be high. It is after all just a malicious accusation.
It does however impact the accused lost term and substantially.
Therefore a civil case with substantial power to strip her of everything she owns [including future earnings] should be brought.
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(Original post by Messalina)
Why when it's a rape case do false accusations suddenly become necessary to have the same sentence as the crime they are accusing somebody of? You don't hear people shouting that somebody should get a life sentence if they falsely accuse somebody of being a murderer. I find it quite odd. False accusations are abhorrent but as far as I know false accusations of any crime don't carry a particularly high sentence. Why should this be different?
Also I don't buy into the "ruining an innocent man's life" thing, when somebody is found guilty of false accusations then the accused is obviously innocent within a court of law. Going through a court case can be traumatic but I doubt it constitutes a ruined life by any means.
Why when it's a rape case do false accusations suddenly become necessary to have the same sentence as the crime they are accusing somebody of? You don't hear people shouting that somebody should get a life sentence if they falsely accuse somebody of being a murderer. I find it quite odd. False accusations are abhorrent but as far as I know false accusations of any crime don't carry a particularly high sentence. Why should this be different?
Also I don't buy into the "ruining an innocent man's life" thing, when somebody is found guilty of false accusations then the accused is obviously innocent within a court of law. Going through a court case can be traumatic but I doubt it constitutes a ruined life by any means.
Then add the fact they will be labelled as rapist's for life by the "no smoke without fire" crowd.
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(Original post by Messalina)
Also I don't buy into the "ruining an innocent man's life" thing, when somebody is found guilty of false accusations then the accused is obviously innocent within a court of law. Going through a court case can be traumatic but I doubt it constitutes a ruined life by any means.
Also I don't buy into the "ruining an innocent man's life" thing, when somebody is found guilty of false accusations then the accused is obviously innocent within a court of law. Going through a court case can be traumatic but I doubt it constitutes a ruined life by any means.
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(Original post by MostUncivilised)
Utterly nonsensical. Murdering someone, and unjustly ordering their execution (if you are, say, a despot) are the same. Though I suppose you're arguing that because the despot spoke the words, rather than wielded the axe, it's actually not that bad?
And therefore it's not as serious? There's no logical connection between how common it is and how it should be punished.
Being falsely imprisoned, and attacked in prison, is not "violent, traumatising and distressing" to go through? It's clear to me that your ideology blinds you to basic human compassion.
Utterly nonsensical. Murdering someone, and unjustly ordering their execution (if you are, say, a despot) are the same. Though I suppose you're arguing that because the despot spoke the words, rather than wielded the axe, it's actually not that bad?
And therefore it's not as serious? There's no logical connection between how common it is and how it should be punished.
Being falsely imprisoned, and attacked in prison, is not "violent, traumatising and distressing" to go through? It's clear to me that your ideology blinds you to basic human compassion.
Your point of being falsely imprisoned and attacked in prison is generalising, how many actual cases has this been the case in? To be imprisoned for rape, the jury has to decide that the defendant is guilty beyond reasonable doubt of committing rape. That fact alone means that there will be cases where rapists walk free, yet it doesn't mean there'll be loads of blokes in prison for rape who didn't commit it - there has to be proof beyond reasonable doubt that it happened. For that reason, I would think that the vast majority of false accusation cases (of which I doubt there are very many in the first place) would simply amount to her word against his - certainly not enough to warrant a guilty verdict. The worst that would happen to our hypothetical innocent man in this situation is that he would have to go through a court case. Not exactly life ruining.
You say that I'm blinded to human compassion, but ironically I think actually you are. As a man, you're vastly more sympathetic to other men who may be falsely imprisoned, but noncommital on the subject of rape itself. Perhaps you're scared of being falsely accused someday, and I get it, that would suck. But the very real threat of rape which many women face in their lives is a more pressing concern to me than the threat of false accusations to a minority of men. Sorry bout it.
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