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I was wondering what kind of qualifications you need to enter the civil service at a reasonably high level. Also, what kind of work does joining the civil service entail?

edit: sorry if that's not very clear- I meant if you joined in order to work your way up to being a Permanant Secretary or something like that.
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I was wondering what kind of qualifications you need to enter the civil service at a reasonably high level. Also, what kind of work does joining the civil service entail?

edit: sorry if that's not very clear- I meant if you joined in order to work your way up to being a Permanant Secretary or something like that.
Varies from what area of occupation you're looking to enter into.

The civil-service has a multitude of departments and executive agency arms, so it would help if you could narrow it down
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Varies from what area of occupation you're looking to enter into.

The civil-service has a multitude of departments and executive agency arms, so it would help if you could narrow it down
ok- something concerned with governmant policy over management of the environment
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Have a look at their Fast Stream programme - www.faststream.gov.uk
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I think the qualifications for joining the Civil Service are actually quite open. As long as you have at least a 2:2 in a primarily academic subject from a half-decent uni (top 20/30). Theyre really more interested in how you react to interviews and the examination they set you.
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To enter the CS at a high level, you need to look at the Fast Track scheme as already pointed out. It is highly highly competative and you're looking rea;istically at AAA/AAB plus a 1st cless degree.

Otherwise:
at A level - you can enter as an admin assistant (AA) or similar.
at degree level you can enter as a Scientific Officer or Executive Officer.
at post-doc level as a Higher SO or HEO (or similar) - or at SO/EO level and work up quickly.
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what are the top level jobs in the civil service and what are the rewards like?
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what are the top level jobs in the civil service and what are the rewards like?
If you get to grade 6 and above the rewards are more than good!!! If you make chairman... well...

On the whole the progression in terms of bands is along the lines of:

AA > SO/EO > HSO/HEO >SSO/SHO > Grade 7 > Grade 6 > Grade 5....

A grade 7 is typically a head of branch, grade 6 and grade 5's heads of department...
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If you get to grade 6 and above the rewards are more than good!!! If you make chairman... well...

On the whole the progression in terms of bands is along the lines of:

AA > SO/EO > HSO/HEO >SSO/SHO > Grade 7 > Grade 6 > Grade 5....

A grade 7 is typically a head of branch, grade 6 and grade 5's heads of department...
What do SSO and SHO stand for?
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What do SSO and SHO stand for?
see above....

Senior Scientific Officer (if the gov agency represents a science field). It's the same banding as a Senior Exec Officer. The H in HSO stands for Higher...
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see above....

Senior Scientific Officer (if the gov agency represents a science field). It's the same banding as a Senior Exec Officer. The H in HSO stands for Higher...
Okay then. I did read the other posts, but could only guess about the S. I should've known it was Senior - at first I thought it stood for Special!
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Okay then. I did read the other posts, but could only guess about the S. I should've known it was Senior - at first I thought it stood for Special!
lol! I wish I were special
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theres another quite extensive thread on this. Try using the search facility
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theres another quite extensive thread on this. Try using the search facility
I searched using 'civil service' as the term and got 60 hits - none of which had 'Civil Service' in the title or a title that elluded to the content of the thread as being such....

So can you give us more of a clue??? Otherwise I guess a new posting is much quicker than reading through 60 threads
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I searched using 'civil service' as the term and got 60 hits - none of which had 'Civil Service' in the title or a title that elluded to the content of the thread as being such....
Apart from this one?

http://www.uk-learning.net/t30521.html
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If you get to grade 6 and above the rewards are more than good!!! If you make chairman... well...

On the whole the progression in terms of bands is along the lines of:

AA > SO/EO > HSO/HEO >SSO/SHO > Grade 7 > Grade 6 > Grade 5....

A grade 7 is typically a head of branch, grade 6 and grade 5's heads of department...
Well Mr Blair himself isn't exactly earning mega bucks, so I can't imagine a civil servant in his 20's earning six figures.
Didn't Gordon say he will axe loads of Whitehall jobs in his budget speech, graduates will be likely to be first to see the door as the tasks they perform can't be that crucial so I would think twice before jumping into the civil service.
However I am quite curious about it, there must be hidden gemms in the job somewhere, because these guys that get into fast stream are pretty clever and could earn much more in the city, plus some of my neighbours are or have been civil servants and it isn't exactly a cheap area. Who knows, maybe Gordon pulled a fast one on us.
Any civil service experts here care to answer?
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Well Mr Blair himself isn't exactly earning mega bucks, so I can't imagine a civil servant in his 20's earning six figures.
Didn't Gordon say he will axe loads of Whitehall jobs in his budget speech, graduates will be likely to be first to see the door as the tasks they perform can't be that crucial so I would think twice before jumping into the civil service.
However I am quite curious about it, there must be hidden gemms in the job somewhere, because these guys that get into fast stream are pretty clever and could earn much more in the city, plus some of my neighbours are or have been civil servants and it isn't exactly a cheap area. Who knows, maybe Gordon pulled a fast one on us.
Any civil service experts here care to answer?
Whitehall, but not Westminster...

And a Grade 7 is looking at min wage of £50,000... so not bad!

Plus this isn't about money earnt - it's about how to gain entry and at what level... think you are confusing this thread with another...?
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Apart from this one?

http://www.uk-learning.net/t30521.html
Try doing a search using the Words civil and service - the thread you highlighted doesn't come up....
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However I am quite curious about it, there must be hidden gemms in the job somewhere, because these guys that get into fast stream are pretty clever and could earn much more in the city, plus some of my neighbours are or have been civil servants and it isn't exactly a cheap area. Who knows, maybe Gordon pulled a fast one on us.
Any civil service experts here care to answer?
chance of being on the honours list, indexed pensions, job securtiy unless you make a really major ****-up
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Whitehall, but not Westminster...

And a Grade 7 is looking at min wage of £50,000... so not bad!

Plus this isn't about money earnt - it's about how to gain entry and at what level... think you are confusing this thread with another...?
50k
And at what age would the typical servant reach this level 7 stage.
If I am correct, the bank will lend you about four times your income for a mortgage, so 50k as a bachelor isn't good unless you're renting. This seems irrelevant but you have to consider your options from all angles, unless of course you come from a wealthy home?
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