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Great news. Caroline Lucas and other protesters against fracking at the Caudrilla site in Sussex, who were arrested on public order and obstruction charges, have all been found not guilty on all counts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27069345
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This is excellent. Caudrilla, which is being used by Big Gas and Oil to test the water for fracking in the UK (no pun intended) is headed by Lord Browne, previously of BP and the subject of numerous allegations about perjuring himself in court and misusing company funds.
Fracking will not address the UK's energy needs, will not lower gas prices in the UK and will, if permitted, cause substantial local environmental damage and threaten water quality. It also leads to increased CO2 emissions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27069345
This is excellent. Caudrilla, which is being used by Big Gas and Oil to test the water for fracking in the UK (no pun intended) is headed by Lord Browne, previously of BP and the subject of numerous allegations about perjuring himself in court and misusing company funds.
Fracking will not address the UK's energy needs, will not lower gas prices in the UK and will, if permitted, cause substantial local environmental damage and threaten water quality. It also leads to increased CO2 emissions.
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I love my MP. I actually told her that when I met her. She looked kinda scared.
I love my MP. I actually told her that when I met her. She looked kinda scared.
I expect she gets a lot of weird stuff chucked at her, so don't worry, I'm sure she appreciates whatever support is sent her way. She does a great job.
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You're in Brighton? That's great.
I expect she gets a lot of weird stuff chucked at her, so don't worry, I'm sure she appreciates whatever support is sent her way. She does a great job.
You're in Brighton? That's great.
I expect she gets a lot of weird stuff chucked at her, so don't worry, I'm sure she appreciates whatever support is sent her way. She does a great job.
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Fracking seems to be working fine in America.
Fracking seems to be working fine in America.
It also depends on what you mean by 'working fine'. Yes, it's increasing gas supply in the short term. However, it is also keeping the country hooked on fossil fuels, delaying the inevitable switching and increasing CO2 emissions in the meantime. There is a large amount of CO2 leakage in the fracking process and it is more damaging in greenhouse terms than traditional gas extraction.
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They have a very different picture there, energy is a local market - our gas prices are set at the European level and any fracked gas would be bought and sold there. So the price advantage is highly unlikely to be anywhere near what it has been in the US.
It also depends on what you mean by 'working fine'. Yes, it's increasing gas supply in the short term. However, it is also keeping the country hooked on fossil fuels, delaying the inevitable switching and increasing CO2 emissions in the meantime. There is a large amount of CO2 leakage in the fracking process and it is more damaging in greenhouse terms than traditional gas extraction.
They have a very different picture there, energy is a local market - our gas prices are set at the European level and any fracked gas would be bought and sold there. So the price advantage is highly unlikely to be anywhere near what it has been in the US.
It also depends on what you mean by 'working fine'. Yes, it's increasing gas supply in the short term. However, it is also keeping the country hooked on fossil fuels, delaying the inevitable switching and increasing CO2 emissions in the meantime. There is a large amount of CO2 leakage in the fracking process and it is more damaging in greenhouse terms than traditional gas extraction.
If there's enough fracked gas produced then why couldn't that change? The British government might find it's superior to make ourselves a local energy market. We don't know this yet though because we don't know whether there's a little gas or a huge amount.
Obviously, we wouldn't have the same price advantage as the US, but it might be significant.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
Great news. Caroline Lucas and other protesters against fracking at the Caudrilla site in Sussex, who were arrested on public order and obstruction charges, have all been found not guilty on all counts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27069345
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This is excellent. Caudrilla, which is being used by Big Gas and Oil to test the water for fracking in the UK (no pun intended) is headed by Lord Browne, previously of BP and the subject of numerous allegations about perjuring himself in court and misusing company funds.
Fracking will not address the UK's energy needs, will not lower gas prices in the UK and will, if permitted, cause substantial local environmental damage and threaten water quality. It also leads to increased CO2 emissions.
Great news. Caroline Lucas and other protesters against fracking at the Caudrilla site in Sussex, who were arrested on public order and obstruction charges, have all been found not guilty on all counts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27069345
This is excellent. Caudrilla, which is being used by Big Gas and Oil to test the water for fracking in the UK (no pun intended) is headed by Lord Browne, previously of BP and the subject of numerous allegations about perjuring himself in court and misusing company funds.
Fracking will not address the UK's energy needs, will not lower gas prices in the UK and will, if permitted, cause substantial local environmental damage and threaten water quality. It also leads to increased CO2 emissions.
Are you aware the water table stuff is rubbish?
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Can't argue with the jobs and growth that fracking will generate, I'm all for getting anything out of the ground that we have in abundance and profit from.
The water issue is solvable given greater regulation.
The water issue is solvable given greater regulation.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
Can't argue with the jobs and growth that fracking will generate, I'm all for getting anything out of the ground that we have in abundance and profit from.
The water issue is solvable given greater regulation.
Can't argue with the jobs and growth that fracking will generate, I'm all for getting anything out of the ground that we have in abundance and profit from.
The water issue is solvable given greater regulation.
Whilst I am neutral on the topic of Fracking I am glad they didn't get prosecuted.
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Can't argue with the jobs and growth that fracking will generate, I'm all for getting anything out of the ground that we have in abundance and profit from.
The water issue is solvable given greater regulation.
Can't argue with the jobs and growth that fracking will generate, I'm all for getting anything out of the ground that we have in abundance and profit from.
The water issue is solvable given greater regulation.
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How can has which reduces CO2 emissions lead to an increase in CO2 emissions? It churns out less than half the CO2 emissions per KWH than a coal fired power station does.
Are you aware the water table stuff is rubbish?
How can has which reduces CO2 emissions lead to an increase in CO2 emissions? It churns out less than half the CO2 emissions per KWH than a coal fired power station does.
Are you aware the water table stuff is rubbish?
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(Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
Unless its coal.
Whilst I am neutral on the topic of Fracking I am glad they didn't get prosecuted.
Unless its coal.
Whilst I am neutral on the topic of Fracking I am glad they didn't get prosecuted.
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But the current government are determined not to regulate it. They have already signalled that the UK will have the weakest regulatory attitude to fracking in Europe. Also, it hardly inspires confidence that the lead company is headed by the former head of BP, a company notorious for its indifference to the local environment surrounding extraction operations.
But the current government are determined not to regulate it. They have already signalled that the UK will have the weakest regulatory attitude to fracking in Europe. Also, it hardly inspires confidence that the lead company is headed by the former head of BP, a company notorious for its indifference to the local environment surrounding extraction operations.
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Which if it causes water issues will be bad but the weakest regulatory regime in Europe is still probably more regulated than the USA.
Which if it causes water issues will be bad but the weakest regulatory regime in Europe is still probably more regulated than the USA.
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UK coal is uncompetitive, it's cheaper just to import it from the likes of China.
UK coal is uncompetitive, it's cheaper just to import it from the likes of China.
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How can has which reduces CO2 emissions lead to an increase in CO2 emissions? It churns out less than half the CO2 emissions per KWH than a coal fired power station does.
Are you aware the water table stuff is rubbish?
How can has which reduces CO2 emissions lead to an increase in CO2 emissions? It churns out less than half the CO2 emissions per KWH than a coal fired power station does.
Are you aware the water table stuff is rubbish?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-emit-methane/
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Fracking releases large quantities of methane, a much more intense greenhouse gas than CO2. It isn't me saying that, it's detailed research in the US.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-emit-methane/
Fracking releases large quantities of methane, a much more intense greenhouse gas than CO2. It isn't me saying that, it's detailed research in the US.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-emit-methane/
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The article lost me when it claims that fracking creates earthquakes.
The article lost me when it claims that fracking creates earthquakes.
I think you should try reading the whole article and stop making silly non-points.
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The article lost me when it claims that fracking creates earthquakes.
The article lost me when it claims that fracking creates earthquakes.
When it produces a 6.0 then that is the time to worry.
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They do, tiny ones though. It takes a 5.0 to threaten to bring down a chimney though and they are much smaller than that.
When it produces a 6.0 then that is the time to worry.
They do, tiny ones though. It takes a 5.0 to threaten to bring down a chimney though and they are much smaller than that.
When it produces a 6.0 then that is the time to worry.
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