LLb @ Oxford or Cambridge?

MMM

Yes, LLM in the US is extremely expensive! The JD, which is 3 years, even more so. But luckily I got a scholarship to fund my Harvard LLM :wink:

Hull alumni get a discount at University of Washington DC I think.

Also, the JD is pretty pointless when you have an English LLB as it's equivalent.

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MMM

Ethereal

Hull alumni get a discount at University of Washington DC I think.

Also, the JD is pretty pointless when you have an English LLB as it's equivalent.

People do the JD because they are interested in American Law. Also, big NYC law firms like Cravath, Swaine & Moore prefer the JD (don't ask me why). But you can always join the London office of some US law firm and apply for a secondment to New York. This is what I did and now I am working in New York :biggrin:

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Or alternatively you can sit the NY bar on the basis you have an LlB(hons) and qualify that way :smile:

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Lady Narcissus

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Ethereal

Hull alumni get a discount at University of Washington DC I think.

Also, the JD is pretty pointless when you have an English LLB as it's equivalent.

You do. They wanted to send me over as a test case because its quite a jump up from the LLB programme is terms of the structure of the programme. For £7000ish you get an LLM from Washington and an additional one from Hull.

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But you have to do the workload of two LLMs as you are required to matriculate in both unis

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Actually it's very difficult to get a job at a top NY law firm with just an LLB. My friend works at Cravath and he told me basically every foreigner has an LLM or a JD. My aunt has an LLB but she had to do her LLM at NYU to get a job in New York.

Also unless you have done a traineeship already, you'd have a 21/22 year old competing against a 26 year old with a BA and a JD. Most US firms would rather take the JD graduate.

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That would be more to do with being a foreigner than the level of qualification

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Hmm, I dunno. I'd have to see if American JD holders face any difficulty getting jobs here in the UK to compare.

All I know is in Canada, the LLB is a postgrad qualification, but they are now changing to a JD system because American firms do not think the LLB is equivalent to a JD, and Canadian graduates are having difficulty getting jobs there. I don't think there is any serious "foreigner" bias against Canadians in the US.

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Lady Narcissus

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oooh these foreigners :smile:

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American firms are notoriously xenophobic. The mere fact that the LLB is an undergrad degree here is irelevant as your Bachelors degrees are roughly equivalent to our A-Levels

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Your last comment is so false and ridiculous that it's not worth addressing.
PS American AP exams (which we take in high school) are to be UCAS tariffed in 2008.

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How exactly is it false? American Bachelors degrees require you to study an incredibly broad range. Our Bachelors degrees require you to specialise.

If the LlB isn't equivalent to a JD, why do at least 2 of the American bars accept it as qualifying?

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I didn't say it's not equivalent. I said top US law firms don't view it as equivalent.

And my US BA is not worth your A-Levels, otherwise I wouldn't have been accepted to 4 UK graduate schools. Check the international league tables and then tell me where the world's best universities are, then we can talk about the quality of undergraduate education.

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Lady Narcissus

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Bloody hell, how come u know so much about JDs Ethereal? The man from Harvard told us that we would have to write why we really wanted to do the JD instead of the LLM.

Bye, Bye off to read Evidence. Tax more urgent but I cant face it

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