law degree or law apprenticeship?????

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I'm currently in college and I'm interested in pursuing a career in law. However I know that so many people have law degrees now and are still struggling to find a job. I've come across law apprenticeships and they sound amazing, we receive up to £18k a year for the first few years while we study which the company willpay for and then will continue on to work for the company after. this apprenticeship only gets me a job as a legal executive or something. I don't mind that for a few years but I really wanted to become a solicitor or barrister later. So I was thinking, should I go to university after the apprenticeship to do this? And can I go to university while working for the firm?

I'm also asking if this is a good idea or not because I really will miss out on the university experience I was looking forward to so much. If I do go to uni at a later date a lot of the people there would be so much younger.
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Hi,

I was in the same boat as you a couple of years ago. Do i go to university or do i go through an Apprenticeship? It all depends on what career path you are going into, Being Law most people go through the university stage - but as you say, they struggle to find jobs in their chosen degree (so they end up doing something completely different). I am not sure how common Apprenticeships in Law are, but if you found the perfect Apprenticeship Opportunity I wouldn't hesitate to take it as you will be studying towards your chosen subject and you will also be working with an employer earning a wage and getting valuable experience (which degree students lack).

Apprenticeships at Level 3 are equivalent to 2-3 A-Levels & Level 4 Apprenticeships are equivalent to the first year of your Degree, so even if you want to further your study later on, you can go into university to study towards your Degree.

More information can be found on the Apprenticeships Website: www.apprenticeships.org.uk

I hope this helped?

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Hi,

I was in the same boat as you a couple of years ago. Do i go to university or do i go through an Apprenticeship? It all depends on what career path you are going into, Being Law most people go through the university stage - but as you say, they struggle to find jobs in their chosen degree (so they end up doing something completely different). I am not sure how common Apprenticeships in Law are, but if you found the perfect Apprenticeship Opportunity I wouldn't hesitate to take it as you will be studying towards your chosen subject and you will also be working with an employer earning a wage and getting valuable experience (which degree students lack).

Apprenticeships at Level 3 are equivalent to 2-3 A-Levels & Level 4 Apprenticeships are equivalent to the first year of your Degree, so even if you want to further your study later on, you can go into university to study towards your Degree.

More information can be found on the Apprenticeships Website: www.apprenticeships.org.uk

I hope this helped?

Many Thanks,

Mark

Won't I be missing out on the social university experience? Is it worth it? Also what if I'm too old after my apprenticeship that when I come to do a degree and pursue my career in being a solicitor/barrister, won't*it be very late?
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Would you be missing out on the uni social experience? Absolutely, without a shadow, and to be honest I wouldn't trade that for the apparenticeship route, as I said at my TC interview when they asked whether I'd have done the apprenticeship if possible at the time I went to uni. However, you do get 10k a year or something and don't have to go through the TC process.

The upsides are clearly the money and security, the downsides are (in my opinion) that it's less structured than a TC and you have to plump for a certain kind of law firm and career at an early age, once you're in law that's basically it, the exit opportunities are limited whereas grads have their degree to fall back on. The other issue might be moving firms from where you trained as you may end up specialist early without a broader legal knowldge, but I imagine your legal knowledge will be at least equivalent to GDL so if you network well should be alright.

In conclusion I wouldn't do it myself, but I can see the appeal.
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Would you be missing out on the uni social experience? Absolutely, without a shadow, and to be honest I wouldn't trade that for the apparenticeship route, as I said at my TC interview when they asked whether I'd have done the apprenticeship if possible at the time I went to uni. However, you do get 10k a year or something and don't have to go through the TC process.

The upsides are clearly the money and security, the downsides are (in my opinion) that it's less structured than a TC and you have to plump for a certain kind of law firm and career at an early age, once you're in law that's basically it, the exit opportunities are limited whereas grads have their degree to fall back on. The other issue might be moving firms from where you trained as you may end up specialist early without a broader legal knowldge, but I imagine your legal knowledge will be at least equivalent to GDL so if you network well should be alright.

In conclusion I wouldn't do it myself, but I can see the appeal.
In the long term would it not be better to have the work experience from the apprenticeship and the money and then go off to uni? Also what is a tv
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In the long term would it not be better to have the work experience from the apprenticeship and the money and then go off to uni? Also what is a tv
Not really, I'd say either go uni and try become a solicitor or go the apprenticechip route and become a legal exec. Once you're a legal exec you have all the same powers/rights so it'd be a waste of time to spend 6 years doing a degree, LPC and then a TC, all of which is either spending money or lower paid than you would be as a legal exec.
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Not really, I'd say either go uni and try become a solicitor or go the apprenticechip route and become a legal exec. Once you're a legal exec you have all the same powers/rights so it'd be a waste of time to spend 6 years doing a degree, LPC and then a TC, all of which is either spending money or lower paid than you would be as a legal exec.
How would being a solicitor be lower pay than a legal executive?
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How would being a solicitor be lower pay than a legal executive?
It wouldn't, but if you did the apprenticeship and qualified as a legal exec then went back to uni in order to start the solicitor route you would be missing out on the salary you could be earning as a legal exec, and paying for the privilege to boot. You would close that gap up a bit as a trainee and then completely as a qualified solicitor, but it seems a very long winded and expensive way of getting back to where you started out anyway.
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It wouldn't, but if you did the apprenticeship and qualified as a legal exec then went back to uni in order to start the solicitor route you would be missing out on the salary you could be earning as a legal exec, and paying for the privilege to boot. You would close that gap up a bit as a trainee and then completely as a qualified solicitor, but it seems a very long winded and expensive way of getting back to where you started out anyway.
Hmmm...I'm still not sure as to what to pick. Although I'm taking as at the moment so o guess I have time
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So what route did you end up picking? And do you regret the choice you made?
Coz I'm currently in the same position as you tbh :/ I have no idea what to do. I have AAAB grades at AS, but I still feel like the apprenticeship route is better for law ...coz apparently only a small percentage of law grads actually become solicitors :/
What should I do? What did you end up doing?
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So what route did you end up picking? And do you regret the choice you made?
Coz I'm currently in the same position as you tbh :/ I have no idea what to do. I have AAAB grades at AS, but I still feel like the apprenticeship route is better for law ...coz apparently only a small percentage of law grads actually become solicitors :/
What should I do? What did you end up doing?
I'm not the OP but I am a legal executive, and I do think CILEx is a great route into the profession and likely one that will become the 'normal' route eventually.

As you say, only a small number of law graduates go on to secure training contracts, and unless you are keen to have the 'university experience' (which I won't knock, I enjoyed my time at University a lot) its not at all necessary.

Even since this thread was posted legal executives have gained a lot of additional rights and there are now few benefits to becoming a solicitor instead. Once I qualified as a legal executive I cross-qualified as a solicitor just to make some aspects of my job a bit easier, but I probably wouldn't have done it if my employer hadn't paid for it.
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So what route did you end up picking? And do you regret the choice you made?
Coz I'm currently in the same position as you tbh :/ I have no idea what to do. I have AAAB grades at AS, but I still feel like the apprenticeship route is better for law ...coz apparently only a small percentage of law grads actually become solicitors :/
What should I do? What did you end up doing?
Took the best of both worlds. Doing a one year apprenticeship, then going off to do my law degree!
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hi i’m in year 11 and i’m very certain on pursuing the university law route, how was employment after you graduated?, was it hard getting a training contract?
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