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Poll: Who will you vote for in the European Parliament Elections?
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Conservative Party (2)
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English Democrats (0)
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Green Party of England & Wales (4)
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Labour Party (0)
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Liberal Democrats (2)
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No2EU (1)
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UKIP (8)
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Other (3)
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Spoiled Ballot (1)
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Will Not Vote (1)
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Title says it all. Who're you pulling for?

Despite being a card-carrying Labour member, I'd vote Lib Dem if I were eligible. My party doesn't seem to have any clear policy on Europe at the moment, and with Clegg representing the option of "in" I don't see as I can support anyone else.
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UKIP. There are only 2 policies on the EU, in or out. Reform has proven impossible.
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UKIP - They are the only party that believes in democracy by providing people a referendum. Unlike the other parties that could not care less for representing the people.
Such as the Lib Dems, who enshrined in law your right to have a referendum every time a constitutional question is posed by Brussels? Yeah, those guys suck.
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UKIP. There are only 2 policies on the EU, in or out. Reform has proven impossible.
Is CFP not coming back to member states? Is the EU not negotiating the free trade agreements that Ukip and the Tories want?

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Title says it all. Who're you pulling for?

Despite being a card-carrying Labour member, I'd vote Lib Dem if I were eligible. My party doesn't seem to have any clear policy on Europe at the moment, and with Clegg representing the option of "in" I don't see as I can support anyone else.
I vote Tory in general and local elections but i'll also be voting Lib Dem. The Alliance of Liberals and Democrats broadly supports reforms i want without being anti-EU as per the Tories and Ukip. I also like the fact that Clegg supports a clear cut option and having being pleased enough with him in government i think he should be rewarded with 1 of the 3 votes i can give (though the least important).
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The fact Brussels demands that we let murderers and rapists out early because its against their "human rights" where was the referendum there? I didn't get the letter did you? I didn't get the letter either during the Lisbon Treaty... in fact... with all the things the EU has done I'VE NEVER BEEN GIVEN A VOTE. So yes they do suck, very much so (That's even minus after they put me £20,000 extra in student debt after lying to get votes)

Which I'll tell you this, never again will I support such a lying hypocritical party. Now get the **** off that horse of yours and stop talking about my right to a non-existent referendum!
Ah, Jesus. Populism.

>The things you have described happened pre-coalition, or pre-this particular law.
>You haven't had a referendum because no further sovereignty has been outsourced from Westminster since the passage of the act.
>The Lib Dems didn't lie in their manifesto, they were forced into the increase by their majority coalition partners, the Tories Anyone even remotely familiar with the Lib Dems would know how ridiculous it is to think they would increase fees if given free reign.
>I just told you I was prepared to vote against the party I am an actual member of and pay money to. I have no horses, baked or otherwise.
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Can I vote from another EU member state? Just curious.
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It's not a referendum on whether to expel Britain, but whether Britain should nullify its ratification of the Treaty of Maastricht, which qualifies us for EU membership. So no, unfortunately, British residents only.
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(Original post by Etreo)
Title says it all. Who're you pulling for?

Despite being a card-carrying Labour member, I'd vote Lib Dem if I were eligible. My party doesn't seem to have any clear policy on Europe at the moment, and with Clegg representing the option of "in" I don't see as I can support anyone else.
Not sure. Certainly not UKIP, the Green Party or the Labour Party. Probably not the Conservatives and maybe the Liberal Democrats.

I intend to have a read into the local candidates before I vote.

If they all suck i'll just spoil my ballot.
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If they all suck i'll just spoil my ballot.
That's how I'll celebrate my first election. The unessecarily detailed penis party.
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Populism? Oh God save me for I have sided with the public! Please arrest me sir for I have gravely mistaken that we lived in a democracy in which that is agreed on by the public becomes law. I never knew Etreo that it was a taboo to do right by the people. Do forgive me!
Populism is a plague on reason and rational thought, exploited by people like Nigel Farage and Alex Salmond for temporary power at the greater expense of the people. So yes, populism. It's awful.

(Original post by revron77)
Which is quite funny you get on a horse about again my non-existent right to have a referendum. BUT THEN... begin hating on populism. I guess you aren't much of a fan of freedom and democracy (I hear the cold wars coming back! Might be a few positions over in Russia for pro-socialist fascists... though pro-tip: I hear the money ain't good but the power trip is amazing!)
1. I'm not quite sure you understand populism.
2. I'm actually not much of a fan of freedom and democracy, to be entirely honest, but it seems to be here to stay so I think we should make do.
3. Pro-Socialist Fascists don't exist.
4. Russia isn't a communist state anymore.

(Original post by revron77)
Now back to the point... isn't that funny how our national sovereignty was sold out. Lib Dems cheered with excitement at the formation of a bureaucratic body outside of our national sovereignty.
I could be wrong of course, but I don't believe the Lib Dems were in existence at the time of the EU formation. Or if they were, the party was in its infancy.

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Then when their goals were met then they begin talking about referendums? BUT THEN... when an actual question of allowing people to use their democratic vote on the EU.
They've never been in power before. This is some advanced scapegoating.

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Lib Dems closed down shop and did everything to oppose democracy! Sounds quite fascist to me!
This is just insane. They're liberal. That's the opposite of fascism. And by the parameters in the act of Parliament (that's UK) no referendum has been required as of yet.

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As for the rising in tuition fees. Now unless I messed up something while studying politics... I don't think its legal for the tories to force elected MPs to vote on acts. From what I know, its a choice of MPs to say Yay or Ney... or just abstain. NOW unless the tories have the right to grab a gun and force the lib dems to vote. The position of "They had no option" doesn't flow well with me buddy. They sold out the students and for that they are liars. You cannot escape that reality and don't try to make such crappy excuses to cover Nick Clegs ass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whip_(politics)
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I am going to vote UKIP for the Europeans- but would never do so at a general election. I want to send a message to the main 3 parties that we need out of Europe, or if we remain in we need to end this absurd uncontrolled low-skilled immigration.
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That's a perfectly valid course of action if you're anti EU. Makes sense, I'm doing a similar thing by bypassing my party to vote for a coalition party. We should probably say something about the EU at some point.

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Is CFP not coming back to member states? Is the EU not negotiating the free trade agreements that Ukip and the Tories want?.
The CFP is going to slowly phase out some of the most ridiculously harmful practices it promoted, but otherwise remains a terrible idea and a massive waste of money, and the EU negotiating trade deals shouldn't really count as a reform given that the increased negotiating power of a bloc of nations is supposed to be one of the key reasons anyone would join. If, after much pressure, lobbying and extensive concessions, you convince the fire brigade to put out fires, you've not really achieved much.
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The fact Brussels demands that we let murderers and rapists out early because its against their "human rights" where was the referendum there? I didn't get the letter did you? I didn't get the letter either during the Lisbon Treaty... in fact... with all the things the EU has done I'VE NEVER BEEN GIVEN A VOTE. So yes they do suck, very much so (That's even minus after they put me £20,000 extra in student debt after lying to get votes)

Which I'll tell you this, never again will I support such a lying hypocritical party. Now get the **** off that horse of yours and stop talking about my right to a non-existent referendum!
The ECHR, based in Strasbourg not Brussels, is part of the Council of Europe, a conglomerate of 47 countries which so far as I'm aware no major party advocates quitting, and altogether a very different beast to the EU. To leave this would make us more isolationist than the Swiss or the Albanians.

This is their 'Do not get confused' page, for people making the sort of understandable errors you are.

http://www.coe.int/aboutCoe/index.as...confondre&l=en
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(Original post by Etreo)
Such as the Lib Dems, who enshrined in law your right to have a referendum every time a constitutional question is posed by Brussels? Yeah, those guys suck.
The reasons the Liberal Democrats want an In/Out referendum is because they think that they have a better chance of winning such a referendum, rather than 'do you wish Britain to sign treaty X.'
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The ECHR, based in Strasbourg not Brussels, is part of the Council of Europe, a conglomerate of 47 countries which so far as I'm aware no major party advocates quitting, and altogether a very different beast to the EU. To leave this would make us more isolationist than the Swiss or the Albanians.

This is their 'Do not get confused' page, for people making the sort of understandable errors you are.

http://www.coe.int/aboutCoe/index.as...confondre&l=en
There are a lot of senior Tory cabinet members who want to leave the ECHR and it's UKIP party policy. Of course the Tory cabinet have their hands tied because you have to be a signatory of the ECHR in order to be a member of the EU
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I'd love if you could point out my "errors"
You said this:

(Original post by revron77)
The fact Brussels demands that we let murderers and rapists out early because its against their "human rights" where was the referendum there?
OK, either you're making the geographical error of confusing the capital of Belgium with the Alsatian city on the French side of the Rhine, but are essentially correct as to the actual instiutions based in each or you're confused as to the purpose of each of these organisations.

Given the fairly significant differences between Brussels and Strasbourg I assumed this wasn't a mistake as to the cities themselves but the institutions which are based in each of them.

If I am correct as to the above, and that you are aware Brussels is the capital of Belgium and not a city in Eastern France, then you were using 'Brussels' as shorthand for the European Union, as constituted by 27 member states and governed by the rules laid down in the Lisbon Treaty. However, you referred to prisoner voting, which is an issue dealt with recenlty by the European Court of Human Rights, a judicial organ of the Council of Europe, which enforces the rules contained in the European Convention on Human Rights, to which all the members of the CoE are signatories.

Your complaint is that you had no referendum on prisoner voting; my point was that unless you are demanding a very different referndum to the one usually requested (namely in or out of the EU), which would also clash with your reference to the Lisbon Treaty, then any such referendum would have no impact on this issue. In the event of any Out vote on the EU we would remain members of the Council of Europe and signatories of the European Convention on Human Rights, as a consequence of which we would also remain subject to the jurisidiction of the European Court of Human Rights.

Is this clearer?
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There are a lot of senior Tory cabinet members who want to leave the ECHR and it's UKIP party policy. Of course the Tory cabinet have their hands tied because you have to be a signatory of the ECHR in order to be a member of the EU
Repal the HRA, yes, but leave the ECHR? Seriously? It's not binding like EU law, there's no ECHR version of 'Costa', 'Marleasing' or 'Factortame'. Leaving the ECHR would mean leaving the Council of Europe and suggest we're less fussed about human rights than Russia or Albania, which would be a staggeringly isolationist move and one I'd be surprised if it was genuinely advocated once thought through.
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I don't have a UKIP representative so I probably won't vote.
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I hope at least one person gets the joke :lol:
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