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I support UKIP on a few things, but have been skeptical of them over their poor environment policies, and I am unsure about voting for them.

But seeing this today was a bit of a surprise.

EU measures to crack down on the illegal ivory trade were voted on. Only 14 out of 671 politicians who voted on it opposed it. 6 of those were UKIP, including Farage. Not one UKIP MEP present voted in favour of it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...&utm_hp_ref=uk

I'd happily defend a lot of UKIP's policies, but I don't see how any reasonable person could justify this. Seriously, what the hell were they thinking?
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So many of their policies are unbelievable, particularly anything ethically/morally based. I got a leaflet through my door stating that they want to reduce energy bills (great)... By getting rid of Eco policies (Boo). Denying global warming is ridiculous.

I don't understand why they don't want to crack down on the illegal ivory trade?
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TBH what surprises me more is that they actually bothered to turn up and vote at all. UKIP MEPs have to rank amongst the worst democratic representatives ever. Hardly ever bother voting, take no part in political discourse and if they ever do turn up to vote, they always dissent, even to banning the ivory trade. They are utterly useless.
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TBH what surprises me more is that they actually bothered to turn up and vote at all. UKIP MEPs have to rank amongst the worst democratic representatives ever. Hardly ever bother voting, take no part in political discourse and if they ever do turn up to vote, they always dissent, even to banning the ivory trade. They are utterly useless.
UKIP are anti EU so either don't vote or vote against everything. Obviously UKIP aren't going to vote for the EU to do more that would be hypocritical.
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And yet, despite the fact that they are a ridiculous excuse for a party, people still take them seriously. :facepalm:
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Even if you find the ivory trade utterly abhorrent as I do - from a certain standpoint the argument is not as clear cut as we like to think.
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So many of their policies are unbelievable, particularly anything ethically/morally based. I got a leaflet through my door stating that they want to reduce energy bills (great)... By getting rid of Eco policies (Boo). Denying global warming is ridiculous.

I don't understand why they don't want to crack down on the illegal ivory trade?
That was the first thing which made me skeptical. They deny climate change, oppose EU emission regulation, and in their last manifesto even wanted to abolish the landfill tax.

They will probably respond by saying that they oppose almost all EU measures as they are an anti EU party and vote against any expansion of EU power (what the expansion of EU power is here I have no idea). I can agree with that in many cases, but not for major issues like this. I just can't see the reasoning for voting against measures to combat a disgusting illegal activity.
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UKIP are anti EU so either don't vote or vote against everything. Obviously UKIP aren't going to vote for the EU to do more that would be hypocritical.
The fact that they're not hypocritical (at least in this regard) doesn't stop them from being useless, though. Their dissent isn't going to magically change the way the EU operates. Hardly turning up to parliament isn't going to net the UK any more power. So what use are these MEPs, exactly?
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(Original post by Dez)
The fact that they're not hypocritical (at least in this regard) doesn't stop them from being useless, though. Their dissent isn't going to magically change the way the EU operates. Hardly turning up to parliament isn't going to net the UK any more power. So what use are these MEPs, exactly?
So if they started turning up the UK would magically see any substantial change in power? Of course not, UKIP has no interest in getting more EU power for Britain with stupid political games, it simply wants to leave.
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So if they started turning up the UK would magically see any substantial change in power? Of course not, UKIP has no interest in getting more EU power for Britain with stupid political games, it simply wants to leave.
Then why stand for election to European parliament? What purpose does it serve?
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That was the first thing which made me skeptical. They deny climate change, oppose EU emission regulation, and in their last manifesto even wanted to abolish the landfill tax.

They will probably respond by saying that they oppose almost all EU measures as they are an anti EU party and vote against any expansion of EU power (what the expansion of EU power is here I have no idea). I can agree with that in many cases, but not for major issues like this. I just can't see the reasoning for voting against measures to combat a disgusting illegal activity.
I don't agree with most UKIP policies however I don't know if I want to be part of the EU. As you said I just don't see how this is anything to do with the EU, even if we were not part of the EU I would still want to clamp down on many illegal activities such as this. Surely if the EU were voting for a clamp down on heroin exportation UKIP would support this? To me it is much the same principle.
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to fight the ivory trade = EU action, presumably, and therefore more money
and I'm assuming it would be through federalistic measures
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Then why stand for election to European parliament? What purpose does it serve?
Gives them more exposure to get elected in the real election and influence the policies of other parties. If it were not for European elections it is likely you would never have even heard of UKIP.
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(Original post by RFowler)
I support UKIP on a few things, but have been skeptical of them over their poor environment policies, and I am unsure about voting for them.

But seeing this today was a bit of a surprise.

EU measures to crack down on the illegal ivory trade were voted on. Only 14 out of 671 politicians who voted on it opposed it. 6 of those were UKIP, including Farage. Not one UKIP MEP present voted in favour of it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...&utm_hp_ref=uk

I'd happily defend a lot of UKIP's policies, but I don't see how any reasonable person could justify this. Seriously, what the hell were they thinking?
It's because the only thing that UKIP hate more than foreigners is elephants.
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It's because the only thing that UKIP hate more than foreigners is elephants.
Especially elephants from bongo bongo land.
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Especially elephants from bongo bongo land.
No, elephants from bongo bongo land are ok to them. As long as they don't come over here and fill up our zoos.
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It's because the only thing that UKIP hate more than foreigners is elephants.
Dam elephants steeling our jobs!
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Dam elephants steeling our jobs!
The *******s! Coming over here, filling up our zoos and taking food that could go to british elephants.
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Gives them more exposure to get elected in the real election and influence the policies of other parties. If it were not for European elections it is likely you would never have even heard of UKIP.
They voted against measures to combat an illegal activity which is of major conservation concern. What sort of exposure do you think that will give them?

I can understand UKIP's opposition to a lot of EU regulation, but if they want to influence other parties (and other potential voters) then they have to take things seriously. Voting against something which I imagine most people would support for no currently obvious reason doesn't really inspire confidence.
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This will not surprise anyone who has researched UKIP for more than five minutes.
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