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Reply 1
Hehe yes they exist - there are tonnes of them!
I don't know if there's still a formal definition but basically it's somebody who gets money from the college and gets to wear a fancy gown. Depending on the college they may get a different room (organ scholars especially) or to be top of the ballot when choosing rooms etc.
Generally anybody who gets a first in their end of year exams will (almost) automatically become a scholar but I'm fairly sure you technically have to be nominated and accepted by your tutor. Other scholars include organ and choral

Now here's one one of the older people might be able to answer (lowly first year has only just finished her exams :wink:). A friend of mine mentioned coming top in the year on one paper and that his tutor has nominated him so there is a possibility he may become an exhibitionor. Anybody know if this is basically when you act like a scholar but didnt have to gte the 1st to start with? I hear about "Scholars and Exhibitioners" fairly regularly but have never been sure...
Reply 2
Exhibitioner is halfway between Scholar and Commoner - generally it's given to people who didn't get firsts. A lot depends on the college when it comes to Exhibitions (some give them out for solid academic performance in tutorials/collections, not just public exams). The college usually gives you about half the money that a scholar gets, plus some let you wear a scholars gown, too (although some don't).
Reply 3
so apart from organ or choral, you cannot be a scholar until your 2nd year as you have to get a first in your 1st yr exams?
Bekaboo
Hehe yes they exist - there are tonnes of them!
I don't know if there's still a formal definition but basically it's somebody who gets money from the college and gets to wear a fancy gown. Depending on the college they may get a different room (organ scholars especially) or to be top of the ballot when choosing rooms etc.
Generally anybody who gets a first in their end of year exams will (almost) automatically become a scholar but I'm fairly sure you technically have to be nominated and accepted by your tutor. Other scholars include organ and choral

Now here's one one of the older people might be able to answer (lowly first year has only just finished her exams :wink:). A friend of mine mentioned coming top in the year on one paper and that his tutor has nominated him so there is a possibility he may become an exhibitionor. Anybody know if this is basically when you act like a scholar but didnt have to gte the 1st to start with? I hear about "Scholars and Exhibitioners" fairly regularly but have never been sure...

As far as I am aware you are not automatically made a scholar if you get the equivalent of a first, there are other requirements I believe. It may be true in first year but after that Im not sure it holds.
Reply 5
What about colleges that offer Instrumental Scholarships? Does that count as being a scholar or is that something different?
Reply 6
love2learn7
so apart from organ or choral, you cannot be a scholar until your 2nd year as you have to get a first in your 1st yr exams?


That's right yes
Reply 7
... which I think might be how the system's changed. My boyfriend's father went up to Cam as a Scholar - based on the entrance exam? but not sure whether oxford did the same.

Ella_belle, our Instrumental Scholarship people count as Scholars - wear the gown, but not completely sure whether they get the money & invites (the ones i can think of were probably academic scholars too!) & have to give a certain number of performances in return - but they're a collegiate thing, so it might vary...

I think we also have "Sacristans" - who get to wear the gown, invites to the events but i don't think get the money & they do Chapel duties.

Names might vary from college to college, I think Merton have something called 'Postmasters' - not sure what that equates to & our equivalent of scholars are called Demies.
Reply 8
Oops yes missed out instrumental scholars since we don't have any at Jesus (We don't have choral scholars either but that's besides the point :p:) Fairly sure at Jesus our Sacristans are just normal people but it's hard to say as Katie was a scholar anyway and James hadn't been doing it for very long :confused:
Reply 9
Elles
... which I think might be how the system's changed. My boyfriend's father went up to Cam as a Scholar - based on the entrance exam? but not sure whether oxford did the same.

I think they did, but that system was abolished around 1970, right?
Reply 10
sjuthani
I think they did, but that system was abolished around 1970, right?


Nope, mid 1980s I think.
The entrance exam was abolished a hell of a lot more recently than that. The Guardian thinks it was 1995, and even if that's wrong, it's not by much - 1989 is the earliest figure floating in my mind.

Grants, meanwhile, I believe were only abolished by the John Major government; Fees were than introduced by Labour. Scholarships were just grants with a posh name.

Hence I'd put a figure of 1992 on it.
Isaiah Berlin
. Scholarships were just grants with a posh name.


As mentioned above, scholarships are awarded on academic performance. Is a grant, and the current loan system not based on financial disadvantage/advantage?
Reply 13
passthesaltplease
As mentioned above, scholarships are awarded on academic performance. Is a grant, and the current loan system not based on financial disadvantage/advantage?

I'm almost certain (certain for Magdalen) that scholarships aren't weighted by parents' income like loans are.

For us it's £200 (+ perks such as posh dinners/gownage) for scholars and £100 (plus some/all perks - not quite sure) for Exhibitioners.

PS: woo - my tutor just e-mailed me and said that he can't see the powers-that-be failing to give me a scholarship *and* that my result was possibly the best in the whole uni for my subject. double-woo!

/own-trumpet-blowing
Unless you're at Merton, where a distinction/First in Prelims/Mods gets you an Exhibition, and a Postmastership (scholarship) is only given to the best of the Exhibitioners.

Waah. Here's to geeking out next year in hope of an Exhibition. I JUST WANT A BILLOWY GOWN DAMMIT. :frown: :frown: :mad:
passthesaltplease
As mentioned above, scholarships are awarded on academic performance. Is a grant, and the current loan system not based on financial disadvantage/advantage?


You misread my post. I suggested scholarships were just grants with a posh name. I think everyone admitted was given them. In which case they weren't on academic performance within Oxbridge, because everyone had them. Grants, I believe, were the same at other universities though really I'm not sure.

These days scholarships are based on performance, and are need blind. The current loan system, is partially need-based.
Reply 16
Megsy
Unless you're at Merton, where a distinction/First in Prelims/Mods gets you an Exhibition, and a Postmastership (scholarship) is only given to the best of the Exhibitioners.

Waah. Here's to geeking out next year in hope of an Exhibition. I JUST WANT A BILLOWY GOWN DAMMIT. :frown: :frown: :mad:

I want one too, and I'm not even at Oxford!! (Does that make me weird?!)
Reply 17
Megsy
Unless you're at Merton, where a distinction/First in Prelims/Mods gets you an Exhibition, and a Postmastership (scholarship) is only given to the best of the Exhibitioners.

Waah. Here's to geeking out next year in hope of an Exhibition. I JUST WANT A BILLOWY GOWN DAMMIT. :frown: :frown: :mad:


Should have come to Cambridge then :wink:
Tabs have rubbish banter. FACT
Reply 19
Scholarships are/were different to grants. The money comes from the college rather than the Government so the end of scholarships on entry will have had nothing to do with the end of Government student grants. And they certainly were not dished out to everyone.

I'm not sure when Oxford colleges stopped scholarships on entrance but they still existed in the mid 80s. At St Peter's the larger subjects would tend to award 1 scholarship and 1 exhibition each year, and there were others dotted around the other subjects (as well as organ and instrumental scholarships, there were no choral scholars at SPC in those days). If anyone else did particularly well in mods or prelims they would tend to be awarded a scholarship/exhibition from the 2nd year. Exhibitioners at SPC wore scholar's gowns.

Even further back in time there were "closed scholarships" which were endowed for students from particular counties, towns, or even schools. That's how colleges like Jesus or Queen's developed their Welsh or northern emphases.