The 19 year old pedophile who has never gone near a child- Interesting podcast
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Original post by karmacrunch
No I'm not narrow-minded. If you were a 12 year old who was being though about by a grown man how would you react? It shouldn't be part of him; although fantasies are just fantasies (they are not supposed to be acted upon), you need to know what is wrong and right.
This is my opinion and I am keeping it.
This is my opinion and I am keeping it.
How would a 12-year-old know they were being thought about? If they don't find out it isn't an issue. Telling them would be bad, but just thinking it isn't inherently harmful.
Original post by Green Marble
Hang the dirty ****er
You sound like a bad person.
Once again, pornography is the cause of a diseased mind.
Think about how different the world would be without it?
Think about how different the world would be without it?
Original post by karmacrunch
But they're hurting him
So what do you want him to do about it?
Original post by karmacrunch
All sexual feelings for a child are wrong, whether you like it or not. I didn't watch the video because I don't really want to but i think that paedophilla is a mental illness. If this guy really wants to change he should get therapy or just pick himself up before he gets into trouble.
Why don't you want to watch the video? It's really insightful.
You think it's a simple case of getting therapy? You actually think there are effective treatment options out there for pedophilia?
Original post by karmacrunch
No I'm not narrow-minded. If you were a 12 year old who was being though about by a grown man how would you react? It shouldn't be part of him; although fantasies are just fantasies (they are not supposed to be acted upon), you need to know what is wrong and right.
This is my opinion and I am keeping it.
This is my opinion and I am keeping it.
Yes you are, you are the definition of narrow minded. You won't even give the podcast a chance. I would react logically and realise that different people are attracted to different things? (well perhaps not at 12 but I'd eventually realise this...) rather than immediately calling them sick or twisted. What is calling them ''wrong'' going do to them mentally? It's going to damage them, its going to make them feel worthless and could perhaps lead to suicide.
Everybody knows that thoughts about children aren't of the norm and acting on them is wrong, but thinking about them for certain people is just natural, its not like they just randomly suddenly become attracted to kids.
Good, remain closed minded, make pedophiles feel like **** because of your twisted morals
Original post by Green Marble
Hang the dirty ****er
lol @ u
Original post by CJKay
If you're not going to listen to the podcast, don't reply. He has done everything you mentioned but, as pedophilia is a sexual attraction and not a mental illness, it obviously has not helped.
You sound like you're purposely ignoring everyone and everything to uphold your view that anybody who has differing fantasies to yours is morally obliged to "just disappear".
You sound like you're purposely ignoring everyone and everything to uphold your view that anybody who has differing fantasies to yours is morally obliged to "just disappear".
My point is that a sexual attraction to children is wrong! why does no one see this! I'm a child myself I don't want to be thought about sexually by any adult.
Original post by TolerantBeing
Someone on my facebook linked this podcast recently, and it gave a really interesting perspective on what it must be like for a human being with decent moral values to suffer from pedophilia, to be attracted to children but to despise yourself for it.
http://www.upworthy.com/this-19-year-old-pedophile-has-never-gone-near-a-child-and-he-needs-you-to-hear-his-story?c=ufb1
I must admit, I've thought on occasions before that all pedophiles are sick, vile human beings, who've experienced bleak lives and are tarred from it. But in this podcast speaks a 19 year old who had a stable background, a caring family, but developed an addiction to child pornography, which he is now tackling and trying his hardest to restrain his urges.
I think obviously those who abuse children are worthy of the hatred they receive, and I fully endorse harsh criminal punishment for them. But I think we're also holding a backwards view on the issue. It appears that some people genuinely feel attracted to pre-pubescent children, they can't help that, no matter how much they try. And they are controlling their urges every day. The question is what do we do about this.
Just thought I'd hear your thoughts on the video
http://www.upworthy.com/this-19-year-old-pedophile-has-never-gone-near-a-child-and-he-needs-you-to-hear-his-story?c=ufb1
I must admit, I've thought on occasions before that all pedophiles are sick, vile human beings, who've experienced bleak lives and are tarred from it. But in this podcast speaks a 19 year old who had a stable background, a caring family, but developed an addiction to child pornography, which he is now tackling and trying his hardest to restrain his urges.
I think obviously those who abuse children are worthy of the hatred they receive, and I fully endorse harsh criminal punishment for them. But I think we're also holding a backwards view on the issue. It appears that some people genuinely feel attracted to pre-pubescent children, they can't help that, no matter how much they try. And they are controlling their urges every day. The question is what do we do about this.
Just thought I'd hear your thoughts on the video
I totally agree, I saw this video recently but it's something I've thought for a long time. We need to have more progressive policies to help people who have these thoughts. It's not helpful to merely demonise individuals who are attracted to children.
Surely it's the same as any sexual attraction? Obviously to act in it is awful but I don't think it can be helped. We need to work with individuals to help them deal with their feelings and offer support to not act on them.
I don't know if you saw that programme a few years ago on a man who had abused his children. He got sent to a treatment centre and although the treatment centre had a massively high success rate it was shut down because obviously no-one wants a treatment centre near their house.
It must be really awful to be attracted to children I bet suicide rates are massively high.
Original post by manchesterunited15
So what do you want him to do about it?
Get help by therapy or reach out to friends and family (like I said above)
Original post by karmacrunch
My point is that a sexual attraction to children is wrong! why does no one see this! I'm a child myself I don't want to be thought about sexually by any adult.
Nobody wants to be thought about by anybody they don't want thinking about them - that doesn't mean you can do anything to stop them doing so. I don't particularly want to be thought about by another guy - should that therefore make me eligible to kill them?
Pedophilia is a sexual attraction and, despite what religious fundamentalists scream and shout, cannot be changed. Just look what happened to Exodus vs homosexuals - in the end, they closed down and issued an apology for all the people they had falsely "treated". You cannot send pedophiles to therapists because the therapists are completely unable to do anything.
The podcast made it quite clear that he had seeked help from a therapist but, for the reasons I have already stated, it was not (and never will be) effective.
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Original post by karmacrunch
All sexual feelings for a child are wrong, whether you like it or not. I didn't watch the video because I don't really want to but i think that paedophilla is a mental illness. If this guy really wants to change he should get therapy or just pick himself up before he gets into trouble.
Uneducated opinions like this are why they will always have to hide away, as this sort of comment is what the majority of people would give.
Lars Von Trier Nymphomaniac, Vol.2 exposes a quite philosophical perspective on pedophilia. It goes deep into the pathology and over the social restrains that controls it.
Original post by TolerantBeing
Why don't you want to watch the video? It's really insightful.
You think it's a simple case of getting therapy? You actually think there are effective treatment options out there for pedophilia?
You think it's a simple case of getting therapy? You actually think there are effective treatment options out there for pedophilia?
I know there aren't any that work but he needs to stay strong and tell himself that it is morally wrong and try to stop thinking that.
Why is it that when people act on the feeling it is wrong, but then some others have the feeling they are okay? What happens if this man is overwhelmed and acts out on his feeling? Everyone would turn against him.
Original post by karmacrunch
Get help by therapy or reach out to friends and family (like I said above)
brb asking my family to make me stop being attracted to females
Original post by Professor Purple
Once again, pornography is the cause of a diseased mind.
Think about how different the world would be without it?
Think about how different the world would be without it?
Abundant child marriage, legalised rape and a strong patriarchy?
Oh, I'm sorry, was I not meant to bring up the days before pornography?
Original post by CJKay
Nobody wants to be thought about by anybody they don't want thinking about them - that doesn't mean you can do anything to stop them doing so. I don't particularly want to be thought about by another guy - should that therefore make me eligible to kill them?
Pedophilia is a sexual attraction and, despite what religious fundamentalists scream and shout, cannot be changed. Just look what happened to Exodus vs homosexuals - in the end, they closed down and issued an apology for all the people they had falsely "treated". You cannot send pedophiles to therapists because the therapists are completely unable to do anything.
The podcast made it quite clear that he had seeked help from a therapist but, for the reasons I have already stated, it was not (and never will be) effective.
Pedophilia is a sexual attraction and, despite what religious fundamentalists scream and shout, cannot be changed. Just look what happened to Exodus vs homosexuals - in the end, they closed down and issued an apology for all the people they had falsely "treated". You cannot send pedophiles to therapists because the therapists are completely unable to do anything.
The podcast made it quite clear that he had seeked help from a therapist but, for the reasons I have already stated, it was not (and never will be) effective.
Did I say I am going to kill anyone for having this attraction? If he is not going to get a therapist (because they do not work for paedophillia) then he needs to help himself. On his own or with friends and family.
I do understand what everyone else is saying btw but if you read what I've written I stand by it.
Original post by karmacrunch
My point is that a sexual attraction to children is wrong! why does no one see this! I'm a child myself I don't want to be thought about sexually by any adult.
There is lots of people I don't want to think about me in a sexual way unfortunately it is not a crime and should they choose to think of me as they masturbate I can't do anything about it. We can't police people's minds because we have little control over our sexual attractions.
You can demonise and deny all you want the problem is this does not change anything and is likely to cause more abuse of children not less - surely actual abuse is worse than thoughts even to you?
Also you suggested he should go to therapy if you listened to the podcast you would realise he tried but it is almost impossible to receive appropriate help because it is such a taboo issue.
Original post by karmacrunch
Did I say I am going to kill anyone for having this attraction? If he is not going to get a therapist (because they do not work for paedophillia) then he needs to help himself. On his own or with friends and family.
I do understand what everyone else is saying btw but if you read what I've written I stand by it.
I do understand what everyone else is saying btw but if you read what I've written I stand by it.
Just think what will happen if he tells family and friends about this. What do you think they will do?
He could end up lynched if the wrong people find out.
Original post by karmacrunch
Did I say I am going to kill anyone for having this attraction? If he is not going to get a therapist (because they do not work for paedophillia) then he needs to help himself. On his own or with friends and family.
I do understand what everyone else is saying btw but if you read what I've written I stand by it.
I do understand what everyone else is saying btw but if you read what I've written I stand by it.
I am facepalming so hard right now.
Just listen to the damn podcast. He has received plenty of help from family members and therapists. In the end, all he can do is just continue to not act on it. People like you are only going to drive pedophiles even further underground, and all that will happens is the massive underground pedophile network we're trying so hard to counteract will just continue to grow because we've ignored the problem and not addressed it.
Original post by CJKay
Abundant child marriage, legalised rape and a strong patriarchy?
Oh, I'm sorry, was I not meant to bring up the days before pornography?
Oh, I'm sorry, was I not meant to bring up the days before pornography?
You are correct and wrong. Pornography still is a problem, especially the mainstream pornography; it objectifies women, induces violent behaviour on men and homogenizes the sexual act.
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