Labour announced they want to open our borders to immigration?

No point mentioning it on TSR- they all love immigration even if you spell out the disadvantages as I have.

Apparently polish builders working here stimulates the economy but if British builders had been employed instead, they wouldn't stimulate the economy :rolleyes:

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Original post by billydisco

No point mentioning it on TSR- they all love immigration even if you spell out the disadvantages as I have.

Apparently polish builders working here stimulates the economy but if British builders had been employed instead they wouldn't :rolleyes:

Try finding a capable British builder out there. They don't help themselves.

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Original post by MatureStudent36

Try finding a capable British builder out there. They don't help themselves.

Builder was the first job off top of my head- their point was that if immigrants move here it stimulates the economy because they spend money- oh and British workers dont spend money here???

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Original post by billydisco

Builder was the first job off top of my head- their point was that if immigrants move here it stimulates the economy because they spend money- oh and British workers dont spend money here???

Look at it this was. A population creates a GDP. Increase that population, and you increase the nations GDP.

Ever wondered why an ever increasing GDP never really equates to an ever increasing basic level of wealth? The increasing wealth has to be shared around more people.

I'll have a dig around for the article, but it came out last year that labour admitted they'd git their immigration policy wrong a few years back. It was driven by trying to antagonise the Tories to criticise immigration so they could then accuse the Tories if being racist.

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Original post by MatureStudent36

Look at it this was. A population creates a GDP. Increase that population, and you increase the nations GDP.

Ever wondered why an ever increasing GDP never really equates to an ever increasing basic level of wealth? The increasing wealth has to be shared around more people.

I'll have a dig around for the article, but it came out last year that labour admitted they'd git their immigration policy wrong a few years back. It was driven by trying to antagonise the Tories to criticise immigration so they could then accuse the Tories if being racist.

I know- one would need to use GDP, per capita, adjusted for inflation.

They didn't do it for that reason, they did it to "destroy the social fabric of the traditional right-wing" or something to that effect. In other words they wanted immigrants to "invade", turn this place in to a Ghetto and guarantee votes (along with the benefits culture keeping the underclass voting for them).

Lower class people really are stupid if they cannot see how much damage Labour does to their livelihoods.

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studos

open borders only serve capitalists
they have larger market to sell their products, the increased competition among employees will make them willing to work for less, etc

british borders should be like the australia's, new zealand's, usa's, etc
they should let in, only people who have something exceptional to offer and only people who do jobs that there are no local people to do them

simple as that

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Original post by billydisco

I know- one would need to use GDP, per capita, adjusted for inflation.

They didn't do it for that reason, they did it to "destroy the social fabric of the traditional right-wing" or something to that effect. In other words they wanted immigrants to "invade", turn this place in to a Ghetto and guarantee votes (along with the benefits culture keeping the underclass voting for them).

Lower class people really are stupid if they cannot see how much damage Labour does to their livelihoods.

labour's been screwing over the working man for decades.

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Original post by MatureStudent36

labour's been screwing over the working man for decades.

Because they know the "anti-thatcher" brigade will be around for another 20 years yet.....

Here's an interesting hypothesis- most Labour voters don't support Labour policy- they just hate the Tories....

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i am genius

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I'm a social democrat, and those are lefty tossers.

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i am genius

Original post by MatureStudent36

labour's been screwing over the working man for decades.

... how?? look at unemployment under Thatcher if you want something to laugh about.

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if you do econ, you realise how much the advantages of migration outweigh the disadvantages, However i'm against it; i just want net migration to be equal to those leaving the country.

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Original post by i am genius

... how?? look at unemployment under Thatcher if you want something to laugh about.

Transitional time. Like it or not the UK is in a stronger position post thatcher than it was pre thatcher.

It wasn't just the UK that went through that transitional phase. A lot changed throughout the 80s in pretty much all western nations.

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i am genius

Original post by MatureStudent36

Transitional time. Like it or not the UK is in a stronger position post thatcher than it was pre thatcher.

It wasn't just the UK that went through that transitional phase. A lot changed throughout the 80s in pretty much all western nations.

I know that, the transition from Keynesian policy to Neoliberal policy during this time is pretty obvious, the vast inequality (the gini coefficient increased a lot) and unemployment as a result of her policies was very bad though for the working classes.

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Original post by i am genius

... how?? look at unemployment under Thatcher if you want something to laugh about.

Yes Thatcher made people unemployed- thats not "screwing them over". She had to make them unemployed because certain industries were not profitable. If you dont believe this- ask yourself why did no private industry take over the coal mines which were closed? Because the private sector knew they weren't going to make money.

At the other end of the spectrum you have Labour allowing mass-immigration of low-skilled workers who will drive-up rental prices (Eastern Europeans tend not to get mortgages) and increase the supply of Labour, causing salaries to suppress......

Couple the above with the "green taxes" on energy bills and Labour created the current cost of living crisis themselves!

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