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They may have 1 good policy on immigration if you agree with that, but on balance do you really want them? Do you really want them?
These are all real ukip policies.

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Not to mention they don't believe in climate change seriously.
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Those policies are not factual, as much as I oppose. UKIP.

These are directly from the website:


• Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally.
How exactly will this be enforced? Checking people's papers wherever they go? What if someone can't prove this, aside from the fact it's inherently xenophobic and will lead to poverty within minority groups.

• Allow the creation of new grammar schools.
I could go on forever. I just disagree.

• Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years.
This does nothing to solve the 'lazy problem - what about feckless British benefit claimants? Those are the type I see in my area. Just wrong

• No to Political Correctness - it stifles free speech.
What the hell does this even mean?!

• The law of the land must apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law.
What?!

• Teach children positive messages and pride in their country. We want to unite through better integration
We do this already...what this really means I suspect, is to remove any mention of other cultures from the curriculum, which I fundamentally disagree with.

The list goes on.
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'These are all real UKIP policies'.

No, they are not. They are twisted forms of propaganda based on half-truths and bitterness.

Firstly, most of these (such as denying climate change) are not UKIP policies, they are views made by a single UKIP member. Secondly, do not slaughter the phrase 'on balance' if you proceed to only post negative parts of UKIP (which, already mentioned, are almost all a combination of highly-concentrated bull**** or twisting the words of one person.)
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The are just opinions put forward by a group of people, to say they are all wrong is showing ignorance. Accept their views for what they are....their views.

In my personal opinion they speak a lot of sense (A bit extreme in some cases but that is the nature of a right wing party) however if they ever get into power I assure you they wont have the money, resources or experience to see all of their policies through leaving a lot of people disappointed and the country worse off.
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(Original post by kumon)
They may have 1 good policy on immigration if you agree with that, but on balance do you really want them? Do you really want them?
These are all real ukip policies.

[IMG] pic.twitter.com/1WUJV1Hnve[/IMG]

Not to mention they don't believe in climate change seriously.
Their only solid policy, it seems, in the one about the EU: they want a referendum, they want to leave and they want a free trade agreement.

Their immigration policy is fairly vague:

''Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it.'' How will they measure/manage this requirement?

''A points-based visa system and time-limited work permits.''
- How will this visa system work? What will points be based on?

''Immigration must be controlled to relieve pressure on our health, education, housing and welfare services''
- How will it be controlled? We can already manage non-EU migrants.

It confuses me why people put up with this meaningless feel-good bull****. All parties seem to do this. Do any of them have an actual plan or do they just throw a bunch of appealing policies into their manifesto and wing it when they get into power?
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(Original post by BenAssirati)
'These are all real UKIP policies'.

No, they are not. They are twisted forms of propaganda based on half-truths and bitterness.

Firstly, most of these (such as denying climate change) are not UKIP policies, they are views made by a single UKIP member. Secondly, do not slaughter the phrase 'on balance' if you proceed to only post negative parts of UKIP (which, already mentioned, are almost all a combination of highly-concentrated bull**** or twisting the words of one person.)
Climate change denial is indeed a UKIP policy. In their 2010 manifesto they wanted to basically get rid of things like the Climate Change act and withdraw from international projects to tackle climate change.

They once had an entire document about their energy policy full of climate change denial nonsense. It even referenced to "the great global warming swindle".

Their current European manifesto also talks about scrapping the Climate Change act as well, and they want to scrap green taxes to reduce energy bills, even though those taxes contribute very little to energy cost. So it's not like they've dropped the policy.
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Climate change denial is indeed a UKIP policy. In their 2010 manifesto they wanted to basically get rid of things like the Climate Change act and withdraw from international projects to tackle climate change.

They once had an entire document about their energy policy full of climate change denial nonsense. It even referenced to "the great global warming swindle".

Their current European manifesto also talks about scrapping the Climate Change act as well, and they want to scrap green taxes to reduce energy bills, even though those taxes contribute very little to energy cost. So it's not like they've dropped the policy.
They want to drop these acts because they think it is redundant, not because they think it is a lie. There is a slight difference between denying climate change is happening, and wanting to scrap the seemingly pointless EU policies to combat it. When the US, India and many other massive countries are releasing pollutants on a huge global scale, UKIP think it is pointless that we corner ourselves by moving away from coal, oil and gas, and corner ourselves by paying for more expensive, less efficient wind energy, just so we don't get a large fine by the EU. Their logic is very simple. Bigger countries with more pollutants don't follow the laws we do, so what we do is rather pointless. If we scrap the legislation, we can move back to cheaper more effective sources. This in turn will cut energy bills for UK citizens by as much as 50% (according to them, anyway).
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(Original post by BenAssirati)
They want to drop these acts because they think it is redundant, not because they think it is a lie. There is a slight difference between denying climate change is happening, and wanting to scrap the seemingly pointless EU policies to combat it. When the US, India and many other massive countries are releasing pollutants on a huge global scale, UKIP think it is pointless that we corner ourselves by moving away from coal, oil and gas, and corner ourselves by paying for more expensive, less efficient wind energy, just so we don't get a large fine by the EU. Their logic is very simple. Bigger countries with more pollutants don't follow the laws we do, so what we do is rather pointless. If we scrap the legislation, we can move back to cheaper more effective sources. This in turn will cut energy bills for UK citizens by as much as 50% (according to them, anyway).
They do think it is a lie though. There is proof in writing that they take a "skeptical" stance on climate change.

The EU accounts for a lot of emissions as well, and it doesn't make much sense to pull out of EU and international projects because of India's and China's emissions. Which is what UKIP want to do.

Renewables aren't that expensive. They are becoming increasingly efficient and are starting to compete with fossil fuels - fossil fuels are going to become more expensive. The green taxes that go towards renewables is a tiny part of the energy bill.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...e-price-rising
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(Original post by kumon)
They may have 1 good policy on immigration if you agree with that, but on balance do you really want them? Do you really want them?
These are all real ukip policies.

[IMG] pic.twitter.com/1WUJV1Hnve[/IMG]

Not to mention they don't believe in climate change seriously.
I want a link to those policies, and don't link to twitter or blogs. Another thing, if you're going to insult me as you have done before, don't bother.
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(Original post by kumon)
They may have 1 good policy on immigration if you agree with that, but on balance do you really want them? Do you really want them?
These are all real ukip policies.

[IMG] pic.twitter.com/1WUJV1Hnve[/IMG]

Not to mention they don't believe in climate change seriously.
You should vote for UKIP in the MEP elections to give the Tories a bloody nose. Show the CONS that people haven't been impressed with all the poor & disabled bashing these last 4 years. Tories have been promoting so much class war that regular people have forgot about the bankers bailouts and who really caused the recession. Maybe it is time to remind them and encourage them to protest vote UKIP in Euro elections.

As for UKIP in general they don't have any policies. They are just a movement group.
All UKIP can do is make suggestions to take Britain back in time like the BNP has.
Take for example there policies for disabled people.

1. Shove all people with learning difficulties into congregate communities.
This is another phase for mental hospitals which are basically like concentration camps.

2. Replace ESA with Basic Cash Benefit.
This is basically reducing all ESA weekly rates from £230 to £100 to the Job Seekers weekly rate of £71.

Before WW2 if you where disabled you would either forced in a mental hospital or you would face a life of poverty while everyone else trampled upon you and treated you as scum.

That is what Nigel Farage and his electorate want. I say send them to the EU where they will remain a laughing stock. If you want out of the EU vote Conservative. At least the Tories know how to run a country in a free market way. UKIP don't and if you vote them in during the general elections you may as well be supporting Neo-Fascism.
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(Original post by RFowler)
Climate change denial is indeed a UKIP policy. In their 2010 manifesto they wanted to basically get rid of things like the Climate Change act and withdraw from international projects to tackle climate change.

They once had an entire document about their energy policy full of climate change denial nonsense. It even referenced to "the great global warming swindle".

Their current European manifesto also talks about scrapping the Climate Change act as well, and they want to scrap green taxes to reduce energy bills, even though those taxes contribute very little to energy cost. So it's not like they've dropped the policy.
Not the same as denying climate change though. A huge increase in the cost of utility bills that have affected the poorest in society have been through green taxes imposed on energy producers.

This is a pan European call being led in no small amount by the 'Green' geans due to ever increasing energy costs that are making European companies less competitive.
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Not the same as denying climate change though. A huge increase in the cost of utility bills that have affected the poorest in society have been through green taxes imposed on energy producers.

This is a pan European call being led in no small amount by the 'Green' geans due to ever increasing energy costs that are making European companies less competitive.
Green taxes are not the reason for rising energy costs.

"Green taxes" are about 9% of the bill, but about half of that is actually for social programmes like helping poorer people with their energy.

Green taxes for things like renewables therefore account for about 4 to 5% of an energy bill. Which in the long term actually saves money.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...e-price-rising
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Open GP surgeries in the evening, for full-time workers, where there is demand.
Prioritising healthcare for the wealthy/ working, not what the NHS stands for
I don't really see how providing servcie for the 20m or so people who work 9-5 so don't have access to NHS services is against that the NHS stands for...

Also I would have thought this would be supplimental not a replacement...
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(Original post by illegaltobepoor)
You should vote for UKIP in the MEP elections to give the Tories a bloody nose. Show the CONS that people haven't been impressed with all the poor & disabled bashing these last 4 years. Tories have been promoting so much class war that regular people have forgot about the bankers bailouts and who really caused the recession. Maybe it is time to remind them and encourage them to protest vote UKIP in Euro elections.

As for UKIP in general they don't have any policies. They are just a movement group.
All UKIP can do is make suggestions to take Britain back in time like the BNP has.
Take for example there policies for disabled people.

1. Shove all people with learning difficulties into congregate communities.
This is another phase for mental hospitals which are basically like concentration camps.

2. Replace ESA with Basic Cash Benefit.
This is basically reducing all ESA weekly rates from £230 to £100 to the Job Seekers weekly rate of £71.

Before WW2 if you where disabled you would either forced in a mental hospital or you would face a life of poverty while everyone else trampled upon you and treated you as scum.

That is what Nigel Farage and his electorate want. I say send them to the EU where they will remain a laughing stock. If you want out of the EU vote Conservative. At least the Tories know how to run a country in a free market way. UKIP don't and if you vote them in during the general elections you may as well be supporting Neo-Fascism.
So voting UKIP at the Euro elections shows the Govt they need to be less harsh on the poor/disabled? I don't really see how... I think it shows the opposite...

Also you don't seem to know much about pre-war welfare...
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In all fairness a real UKIP policy IS to get rid of the requirement to offer maternity leave and holidays.

On that alone I've no idea why anyone would vote for them
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Green taxes are not the reason for rising energy costs.

"Green taxes" are about 9% of the bill, but about half of that is actually for social programmes like helping poorer people with their energy.

Green taxes for things like renewables therefore account for about 4 to 5% of an energy bill. Which in the long term actually saves money.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...e-price-rising
Finally someone else who doesn't buy into the Daily Mail propaganda wheel on this!
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These are a mix of past/present UKIP policies and members' personal views.

UKIP do support a flat tax or lesser-tiered tax, raising the tax for lower-income workers and slashing them for the rich. I can't find the interview right now but Farage was on TV in the past year or so saying their policy may be flat tax or may be two-tiered tax. Either way, progressive taxation isn't their bag.

Privatisation of the NHS was in their 2010 manifesto. Paul Nuttall, their party's Deputy and tipped to be their next Leader, has openly commended private companies winning NHS contracts.

Godfrey Bloom openly came out and said businesses should be able to sack pregnant women. Of course, Bloom had the whip withdrawn for calling women sluts, amongst other things. When Farage was pressed on it during the televised EU debate, he dodged the issue. If UKIP supported maternity pay, there wouldn't be the slightest issue with saying that they'd changed their views on it.

UKIP are still clear on their climate change policies - against renewables targets, against the Climate Change Act, for coal and oil power stations. It's in their 2014 EU and council manifestos.

Removing regulations for businesses, many of which regulations concern workers' rights. In their 2014 manifestos.

UKIP do still claim to want to scrap the Human Rights Act and withdrawing from the ECHR. It's on their website.

The legality of a man raping their wife is something which was said by one of their donors, not party policy.

Not sure on the others that were in that image. Things like holiday entitlement are a bit suspect. We implemented holiday entitlement through the Working Time Regulations, in response to the EU Working Time Directive. It's not clear what UKIP would do with laws like this given that they were decided at an EU-level but are implemented locally. If we withdrew from the EU and Farage wanted to get rid of EU regulations that he feels are holding our country back, would he go for UK Acts like this?

The biggest problem I have with UKIP is them pulling the wool over peoples' eyes. They sell their act as just withdrawing from the EU, and Farage dismisses the 2010 manifesto entirely, yet he refuses to answer questions on things like maternity pay, workers' rights, and so on. I can imagine them developing a populist and non-controversial manifesto whilst hiding their true views on these important issues.

Let's not forget that party policy is one thing, but in the absence of party policy, councillors, MEPs, MPs will vote how they like; and if the UKIP candidates I've come into contact with are anything to go by, they'll make a mess. Having no policies isn't any better than having **** ones like repainting trains and compulsory taxi driver uniform like UKIP had in 2010.
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(Original post by RFowler)
Green taxes are not the reason for rising energy costs.

"Green taxes" are about 9% of the bill, but about half of that is actually for social programmes like helping poorer people with their energy.

Green taxes for things like renewables therefore account for about 4 to 5% of an energy bill. Which in the long term actually saves money.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...e-price-rising
Green taxes are one factor in price increases.
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not a big fan of UKIP!!
but i saw this and I just lost it!!!! :rofl:

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Those policies are not factual, as much as I oppose. UKIP.

These are directly from the website:

Open GP surgeries in the evening, for full-time workers, where there is demand.
Prioritising healthcare for the wealthy/ working, not what the NHS stands for

• Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally.
How exactly will this be enforced? Checking people's papers wherever they go? What if someone can't prove this, aside from the fact it's inherently xenophobic and will lead to poverty within minority groups.

• Allow the creation of new grammar schools.
I could go on forever. I just disagree.

• Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years.
This does nothing to solve the 'lazy problem - what about feckless British benefit claimants? Those are the type I see in my area. Just wrong

• No to Political Correctness - it stifles free speech.
What the hell does this even mean?!

• The law of the land must apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law.
What?!

• Teach children positive messages and pride in their country. We want to unite through better integration
We do this already...what this really means I suspect, is to remove any mention of other cultures from the curriculum, which I fundamentally disagree with.

The list goes on.
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1. Making the NHS effective for everybody. There are lots of people who work full time, and they can't all afford to take time off for doctor's appointments. They're not proposing that working people get priority, merely that the system acknowledge they exist.

2. This does sound pretty unenforcable, and kind of silly. Where's it from?

3. As someone who's been in the situation of having to self teach for several subjects at school because the teachers were busy with riot control, I'm in favour of a tiered system with funding for smaller class sizes in the non-grammar schools. Mixed ability teaching screws everyone.

4. I agree this is talking about one problem then fixing another. Benefit tourism is an issue and should be prevented, but it doesn't deal with the lazy in the UK.

The rest are just a bit of bumpf about opposing sharia law (like there's a party supporting it) and the usual 'it's political correctness gone maaaad' stuff put in to appeal to people who are borderline on being able to put a cross in a box.
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