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Why do people defend Islam?
I'm sure I'll get plenty of lovely responses to this...
Islam, like it's prequel Christianity, is an abhorrent ideology. Both religions share equally malicious Gods. Islam is even more fun though because instead of having a possibly slightly schizophrenic hippie dude as its prophet it has a murderous warlord.
Stephen Fry got attacked for tweeting: (regarding Muslims) "Oh, have a look around the world and see them slaughtering each other, let alone others. So charming to women too …"
The fact is though, what he said deserves to be defended. Name one Islamic country which practices good civil rights, maintains egalitarianism, and supports even half decent LGBT rights.
If you defend Islam you either realize you are defending a poisonous ideology and you are therefore amoral, or you are simply delusional.
Defense for Islam usually reminds me of the kind of short-sighted misinformation that racists use to defend their own absurd theories such as holocaust denial.
A common very defense for Islam I have heard usually goes along the lines of "Western countries have far higher rapes of rate than Islamic countries. Saudi Arabia has one of the lowest rates of rape in the world".
Now, if you say this, you are either unintelligent, or you are knowingly spouting rubbish at the expense of the masses of women who are beaten up, raped, and tortured every day in countries such as Iran, Afghanistan, and the KSA.
The reason why rape and domestic violence may appear higher in the West is of course because women aren't usually afraid to report the crimes. In most countries in the Middle-East a woman will usually only be ridiculed for reporting being raped or beaten, or in the case of being raped she may actually be punished, either by state law or family.
It is undeniable that Islam has done absolutely nothing to help women or homosexuals in the Middle East, South East Asia, and Africa. It has just been used as a tool to suppress these demographics more then they ever have been and give them absolutely no voice, no education, and no freedom.
Please lets stop the acceptance of this poisonous ideology. It deserves no excuses.
Islam, like it's prequel Christianity, is an abhorrent ideology. Both religions share equally malicious Gods. Islam is even more fun though because instead of having a possibly slightly schizophrenic hippie dude as its prophet it has a murderous warlord.
Stephen Fry got attacked for tweeting: (regarding Muslims) "Oh, have a look around the world and see them slaughtering each other, let alone others. So charming to women too …"
The fact is though, what he said deserves to be defended. Name one Islamic country which practices good civil rights, maintains egalitarianism, and supports even half decent LGBT rights.
If you defend Islam you either realize you are defending a poisonous ideology and you are therefore amoral, or you are simply delusional.
Defense for Islam usually reminds me of the kind of short-sighted misinformation that racists use to defend their own absurd theories such as holocaust denial.
A common very defense for Islam I have heard usually goes along the lines of "Western countries have far higher rapes of rate than Islamic countries. Saudi Arabia has one of the lowest rates of rape in the world".
Now, if you say this, you are either unintelligent, or you are knowingly spouting rubbish at the expense of the masses of women who are beaten up, raped, and tortured every day in countries such as Iran, Afghanistan, and the KSA.
The reason why rape and domestic violence may appear higher in the West is of course because women aren't usually afraid to report the crimes. In most countries in the Middle-East a woman will usually only be ridiculed for reporting being raped or beaten, or in the case of being raped she may actually be punished, either by state law or family.
It is undeniable that Islam has done absolutely nothing to help women or homosexuals in the Middle East, South East Asia, and Africa. It has just been used as a tool to suppress these demographics more then they ever have been and give them absolutely no voice, no education, and no freedom.
Please lets stop the acceptance of this poisonous ideology. It deserves no excuses.
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Original post by Rosie786
You have a right to criticize this belief but no right to stop people from defending it or believing in it.
What are these rights you speak of and what relevance do they have?
I think that's a bit extreme.
Original post by Rosie786
You have a right to criticize this belief but no right to stop people from defending it or believing in it.
Ameen to that sister!
Original post by Rosie786
You have a right to criticize this belief but no right to stop people from defending it or believing in it.
nice one sis
Original post by KingBradly
What are these rights you speak of and what relevance do they have?
it's called FREEDOM OF RELIGION, we are allowed to believe in what we want to, and it's also called FREEDOM OF SPEECH we are allowed to defend what we want to
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Original post by awais-iqb
it's called FREEDOM OF RELIGION, we are allowed to believe in what we want to, and it's also called FREEDOM OF SPEECH we are allowed to defend what we want to
Ok, and what relevance does that have to my post?
Original post by amoo_h
True, people can defend in all they like, just like people can defend the Holocaust.
Doesn't change the facts. I'm from a muslim background, an 'ex-Muslim' if you wish (though I was never really into it).
If those that defend Islam, just for once read the Qur'an, or any of the Sahih Hadiths, I'm sure they would change their minds.
Note that I consider Islam to be an idea, just like capitalism, socialism, fascism, anarchism and any other ism. I don't get why religions are privalidged in the sense that any criticism is deemed bigotry (especially Islam). One would not be called bigoted if they criticised any political or social ideology, yet this isn't the same for religion. And just because I dislike islam, doesn't mean I dislike Muslims, all of my extended family are Muslim along with some of my friends (those that accept my apostasy anyway).
Doesn't change the facts. I'm from a muslim background, an 'ex-Muslim' if you wish (though I was never really into it).
If those that defend Islam, just for once read the Qur'an, or any of the Sahih Hadiths, I'm sure they would change their minds.
Note that I consider Islam to be an idea, just like capitalism, socialism, fascism, anarchism and any other ism. I don't get why religions are privalidged in the sense that any criticism is deemed bigotry (especially Islam). One would not be called bigoted if they criticised any political or social ideology, yet this isn't the same for religion. And just because I dislike islam, doesn't mean I dislike Muslims, all of my extended family are Muslim along with some of my friends (those that accept my apostasy anyway).
your not from an Islamic background and your not an ex-Muslim your a fake ciao
Original post by awais-iqb
it's called FREEDOM OF RELIGION, we are allowed to believe in what we want to, and it's also called FREEDOM OF SPEECH we are allowed to defend what we want to
Freedom of religion you have, and it's important, but in Britain we have no freedom of speech, and many would do well to remember that.
Also
Original post by amoo_h
True, people can defend in all they like, just like people can defend the Holocaust.Doesn't change the facts. I'm from a muslim background, an 'ex-Muslim' if you wish (though I was never really into it).If those that defend Islam, just for once read the Qur'an, or any of the Sahih Hadiths, I'm sure they would change their minds.Note that I consider Islam to be an idea, just like capitalism, socialism, fascism, anarchism and any other ism. I don't get why religions are privalidged in the sense that any criticism is deemed bigotry (especially Islam). One would not be called bigoted if they criticised any political or social ideology, yet this isn't the same for religion. And just because I dislike islam, doesn't mean I dislike Muslims, all of my extended family are Muslim along with some of my friends (those that accept my apostasy anyway).
Original post by KingBradly
What are these rights you speak of and what relevance do they have?
What I meant was you cannot infringe anyone's rights to believe in something that you do not agree with. However, yes you can criticize the belief itself.
Original post by awais-iqb
your not from an Islamic background and your not an ex-Muslim your a fake ciao
Wow, great argument. Also, can you refute anything I have said in my original post? No one actually seems to have done this yet.
Original post by Rosie786
What I meant was you cannot infringe anyone's rights to believe in something that you do not agree with. However, yes you can criticize the belief itself.
I understand what you mean but I don't understand the relevance it has. How could I infringe these rights?
Original post by KingBradly
I understand what you mean but I don't understand the relevance it has. How could I infringe these rights?
By saying lets stop accepting this ideology. I know you do not accept the ideology. but what about the people who do accept and people who actually think of it as a religion.
Original post by Plantagenet Crown
I think that's a bit extreme.
Explain.
I don't defend Islam in itself but I do defend against the constant criticism it gets. Don't get me wrong, much of this criticism is perfectly valid however you get to a point where you're just arguing essentially the same points and never agreeing. It's highly difficult to talk someone into changing their beliefs like that; you need to let them come to a conclusion themselves. That's just the way it is.
Original post by Rosie786
By saying lets stop accepting this ideology. I know you do not accept the ideology. but what about the people who do accept and people who actually think of it as a religion.
This isn't cogent logic. If there is such a thing as freedom of speech then I am allowed to not accept whatever ideology I like, whether it is Islam or Nazism. I am also allowed to explain to people why we shouldn't accept an ideology, and also encourage people not to. Freedom of speech should mean I can say whatever I like, end of story.
Moreover, "rights" don't actually exist. They are completely made up. If a Muslim suicide bomber goes and blows up a bunch of people for not believing what he believes, then where exactly do 'rights' come into it? They're all dead, end of story. Saying whether he had the 'right' to do it or not is absolutely meaningless.
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