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seriously, how are they so dam clever? hate to say it, but they must have just about all gone to top public schools where they have time to teach you lots of stuff, or have very intelligent parents. that kind of general knowledge doesnt come easily.
lol you don't get random general knowledge like that from going to top private schools :rolleyes: , you have to read ALOT and have a very good memory.
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lol you don't get random general knowledge like that from going to top private schools :rolleyes: , you have to read ALOT and have a very good memory.
But when you're in an environment of knowledge a lot rubs off without you having to actively seek it. IMO, anyway.
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seriously, how are they so dam clever? hate to say it, but they must have just about all gone to top public schools where they have time to teach you lots of stuff, or have very intelligent parents. that kind of general knowledge doesnt come easily.
Public schools don't teach random general knowledge, it comes from having lots of general interest and a naturally good memory for obscure facts.

I've said this before to you, but I have to say again that I think you'd do well to be a little less obsessed with independent schools -- you seem to make some comment about them about every other post.
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But when you're in an environment of knowledge a lot rubs off without you having to actively seek it. IMO, anyway.
Okay you went to state school right? Your view of top private schools is very odd and you're totally down the wrong track. Even if there are intelligent people around you, they're not going to spend the whole day telling you random general knowledge facts like you seem to think. So no it doesn't rub off on you. Infact you'll find most of the pupils will spend lots of time talking about normal stuff e.g boys, make-up and other normal stuff. (or in the case of boys....girls, cars blabla).
Of course in the classes if there are more people aiming for top grades you will probably find this more stimulating and so learn more off of them, but you won't be learning random general knowledge lol, you'll be learning stuff specific to the subject.

Edit: I have to say that of course you will hear debates in the common room too (maybe more so than state schools??? i don't know)...I remember how everyone had soooo much to say about top-up fees lol, ahhh they were good debates!...but you still won't find people stating random facts to each other lol....that's just weird!
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I've said this before to you, but I have to say again that I think you'd do well to be a little less obsessed with independent schools -- you seem to make some comment about them about every other post.
lol, I've noticed that a few times, thought I was just imagining it, clearly not!
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Okay you went to state school right? Your view of top private schools is very odd and you're totally down the wrong track. Even if there are intelligent people around you, they're not going to spend the whole day telling you random general knowledge facts like you seem to think. So no it doesn't rub off on you. Infact you'll find most of the pupils will spend lots of time talking about normal stuff e.g boys, make-up and other normal stuff. (or in the case of boys....girls, cars blabla).
Of course in the classes if there are more people aiming for top grades you will probably find this more stimulating and so learn more off of them, but you won't be learning random general knowledge lol, you'll be learning stuff specific to the subject.

Edit: I have to say that of course you will hear debates in the common room too (maybe more so than state schools??? i don't know)...I remember how everyone had soooo much to say about top-up fees lol, ahhh they were good debates!...but you still won't find people stating random facts to each other lol....that's just weird!
i suppose you went to an independent school? if you actually knew what it is like to be a clever person in a crap state comprehensive in the middle of nowhere, then you might be a bit more appreciative of the atmosphere in independent schools which is obviously much more fostering of intellectual curiosity which would lead to broad general knowledge. if your school doesn't have enough money to afford books, a library, extra-curricular stuff, teachers under the age of 170, class sizes of less than 90, then obviously it is going to be harder to acquire general knowledge.
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i suppose you went to an independent school? if you actually knew what it is like to be a clever person in a crap state comprehensive in the middle of nowhere, then you might be a bit more appreciative of the atmosphere in independent schools which is obviously much more fostering of intellectual curiosity which would lead to broad general knowledge. if your school doesn't have enough money to afford books, a library, extra-curricular stuff, teachers under the age of 170, class sizes of less than 90, then obviously it is going to be harder to acquire general knowledge.
Pfffff. Your school life is what you make of it. You can't blame elderly teachers for your lack of a sponge memory. Better to blame genetics old boy.
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What's going on here?
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i suppose you went to an independent school? if you actually knew what it is like to be a clever person in a crap state comprehensive in the middle of nowhere, then you might be a bit more appreciative of the atmosphere in independent schools which is obviously much more fostering of intellectual curiosity which would lead to broad general knowledge. if your school doesn't have enough money to afford books, a library, extra-curricular stuff, teachers under the age of 170, class sizes of less than 90, then obviously it is going to be harder to acquire general knowledge.
Oh god, we're going to get into the whole state/independant school thing. Are you an obsessive about it? you sound like it......Look as I've already said, the classes WILL be more stimulating....but what you've done is shoved your nose into the discussion without reading ANY of the posts clearly. In this case it is irrelevant whether the library or the facilities are better or not. The question is, being in that enviroment, are you likely to learn random general knowledge facts, moreso that a state school? I can tell you for certain that you will NOT. Unless you hang around with some very strange people who spew out random pieces of knowledge all day, and these people can be at any school in any sector, then you will not learn weird stuff like that.
The extra facilities or the library may serve to stimulate you in your chosen subject, but to acquire such a broad amount of knowledge that is needed to be able to answer some of the questions on university challenge, you need to actively have an interest in reading very varied material(and of course remember loads). This may be done using the school library OR the local library OR the net etc, usually people have access to or can get access to one of these outside of school.

By the way, if your argument held any water, then somewhere like Bristol and Durham, or any other other university that takes or took a high % of independantly schooled kids, would be in the final, as they would be the ones with the general knowledge. But instead we notice that it is a college from oxford and a college from cambridge. [Of course oxbridge have more chance of getting into the final as all their colleges can compete, so they are more likely too]. Also, notice how in the semi finals it was London Metropolitan, against either the oxbridge or cambridge college.....can't quite remember which. For quite awhile they were even beatign the oxbridge college although the oxbridge college pipped them to the post. Considering the fact that London Met isn't known for having a large number of independantly schooled students, and is quite low on the rankings, I would say the % of people from top independant schools who went/go there is probably very small. And yet they made it all the way to the semi-finals, pretty impressive I reckon and shows that being at a [top] independant school doesn't really play a part in whether you will be successful on university challenege lol.
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i suppose you went to an independent school? if you actually knew what it is like to be a clever person in a crap state comprehensive in the middle of nowhere, then you might be a bit more appreciative of the atmosphere in independent schools which is obviously much more fostering of intellectual curiosity which would lead to broad general knowledge. if your school doesn't have enough money to afford books, a library, extra-curricular stuff, teachers under the age of 170, class sizes of less than 90, then obviously it is going to be harder to acquire general knowledge.
I second that - a VERY SMALL proportion of "General knowledge" is a result of A level Chemistry - the majority of UC questions are way above that level...

Also this idea that there are no libraries are ridiculous - the best libraries in this country are free and open to all
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Anyone watch the Final tonight? I thought Magdalen, Oxford really deserved to win as their captain was much calmer! The Cambridge captain seemed to get very irritated with himself and his teammates!

Oh well, Cambridge can win the boat race, but Oxford are the more academic ones clearly! :rolleyes:
Interesting thing is that the contest is effectively rigged in favour of Oxbridge. They areallowed to enter one team for each tiny college, and between the two of them they will enter anything up to 60 teams, whereas everybody else gets just one team. If you actually factor the number of teams they enter against how often they win they don't win that much.

According to the rule book each uni can enter as many teams as it wants, but obviously the system favours collegiate universities which are already organised to enter multiple teams by their very nature. How would a university like Birmingham be able to organise 30 teams for instance?

The rules should be changed so that each uni can only enter one team.
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Interesting thing is that the contest is effectively rigged in favour of Oxbridge. They areallowed to enter one team for each tiny college, and between the two of them they will enter anything up to 60 teams, whereas everybody else gets just one team. If you actually factor the number of teams they enter against how often they win they don't win that much.

According to the rule book each uni can enter as many teams as it wants, but obviously the system favours collegiate universities which are already organised to enter multiple teams by their very nature. How would a university like Birmingham be able to organise 30 teams for instance?

The rules should be changed so that each uni can only enter one team.
I would have thought that dividing Oxford and Cambridge up into college sides would favour other Universities. If Oxford or Cambridge could choose a team of four from 15000 students they would be immensely strong and would be very hard to ever beat. As it is there are college teams selected from a much smaller pool who are doubtlessly weaker. It's similar to the difference in quality between the blues football team and a college football team. The college team having far fewer players to choose from are therefore weaker.
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I would have thought that dividing Oxford and Cambridge up into college sides would favour other Universities. If Oxford or Cambridge could choose a team of four from 15000 students they would be immensely strong and would be very hard to ever beat. As it is there are college teams selected from a much smaller pool who are doubtlessly weaker. It's similar to the difference in quality between the blues football team and a college football team. The college team having far fewer players to choose from are therefore weaker.
Exactly. There's also the roots of University Challenge which originally were much mroe of a college challenge.
Cambridge and Oxford as single teams would **** all over the opposition.
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Not being from the UK, I've never seen University Challenge on TV. It sounds very interesting, and I've been trying to find out more, albeit with limited success.

Perhaps someone here can tell me what the format of the show is. How difficult are the questions generally? Could someone direct me to a repository of past or example questions, or even post some from memory here?

Thanks.
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You have 2 teams of 4, each team from a different University or College. The presenter asks a starter question worth 10 points and its the frst team to correctly answer. Then come 3/4 (cant remember) questions related to the starter question worth 5 pts each.
The questions are hard enough that you need either to be studying in that area or have a general interest to know the answer. For most people it is not general knowlege. Generally each member of the team has a different speciality or is studying a different subject to cover most questions.
I cant remeber any examples I'm afraid.
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Then come 3/4 (cant remember) questions related to the starter question worth 5 pts each
They get 3 questions following the starter questions.

The content is extremely specialist and not at all comparable to other gameshows where all round general knowledge can get you through!
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I think there's an identical version in America called "College Bowl" or something like that. In fact, I think University Challenge may be an export from the US, because the College Bowl company produce the show.
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I think university challenge is an old program, so probably, college bowl is a spin off of that. Just like I heard an american say whilst looking at Windsor Castle, "It's wonderful, but why couldn't they build it nearer the airport?"
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Exactly. There's also the roots of University Challenge which originally were much mroe of a college challenge.
Cambridge and Oxford as single teams would **** all over the opposition.
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I think that originally Oxford and Cambridge were allowed to enter as separate colleges in order to get the numbers of teams up to a level where it would be worth having a tournament. If they were to enter as single universities, then there would be no point in the competition for anyone else, especially if grad students were allowed to enter (which they are).

d750 - University Challenge has been going for over 40 years, albeit with a break in the 80s. I think it was probably the first one.
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