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We already know the socialist party of europe group or whatever it is called is going to win so what is the point in voting?

Also noticed none of the parties are even saying what voting for them will do for us it is all just attacks on each other.
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We already know the socialist party of europe group or whatever it is called is going to win so what is the point in voting?

Also noticed none of the parties are even saying what voting for them will do for us it is all just attacks on each other.
Polls suggest the EPP (Conservatives) will be the largest party by a small margin.
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Because every vote for a Euroskeptic party is a vote to minimise the influence of the Europhilic parties.

Winning outright may be almost impossible, but we can at least slow them down and curb their influence.

Of course, this election is very important domestically too. A Euroskeptic vote here may not effect the make up of the EU Parliament much, but it will pressure our Government and parties to take a harder line on Europe.
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Polls suggest the EPP (Conservatives) will be the largest party by a small margin.
None of our parties are part of that group does that make our vote even more worthless?
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The 3 main parties in the European Parliament are all federalist parties.
Therefore they further advocate the theft of what little democracy we have left here in Britain.
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We already know the socialist party of europe group or whatever it is called is going to win so what is the point in voting?

Also noticed none of the parties are even saying what voting for them will do for us it is all just attacks on each other.
Polling suggests that the European Peoples Party (center-right) will retain a plurality (they previously had the Tories and apparently the Libs and Tories vote with the group 80% of the time).

The best reason to vote is to stick the finger up at skeptic parties or rather the other policies these parties support. Indeed it looks as though in Germany, Spain and Portugal the Euro-skeptics will be decisively rejected.

(Original post by OMGWTFBBQ)
Because every vote for a Euroskeptic party is a vote to minimise the influence of the Europhilic parties.

Winning outright may be almost impossible, but we can at least slow them down and curb their influence.

Of course, this election is very important domestically too. A Euroskeptic vote here may not effect the make up of the EU Parliament much, but it will pressure our Government and parties to take a harder line on Europe.
The Euro-skeptics are too divided and unprofessional. Not only will they refuse to group together anyway (Ukip and the National Front for example) but Ukip has lost something like 30% of its MEP's, most of whom defected to the Tories.
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We already know the socialist party of europe group or whatever it is called is going to win so what is the point in voting?

Also noticed none of the parties are even saying what voting for them will do for us it is all just attacks on each other.
What on earth are you talking about? It isn't over until the fat lady sings. We can't tell for certain how people will vote until they actually do.

Whether you like or dislike the Socialists it's your responsibility to enhance or limit their power by voting for or against them. Otherwise you've only got yourself to blame.
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Smaller parties will always lose MEPs to bigger parties.

If you vote such that UKIP comes first I bet the defection rate plummets as there is strength in numbers.

Also who cares if eurosceptics are dividided? They are there to block legistation, not to propose it.
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What on earth are you talking about? It isn't over until the fat lady sings. We can't tell for certain how people will vote until they actually do.

Whether you like or dislike the Socialists it's your responsibility to enhance or limit their power by voting for or against them. Otherwise you've only got yourself to blame.
I read that the Socialists and EPP vote the same way 90% of the time. Also we don't have any representation for the EPP in the UK, so really we either vote for Labour if we want the socialists or vote for someone else if we want the EPP.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
The best reason to vote is to stick the finger up at skeptic parties or rather the other policies these parties support. Indeed it looks as though in Germany, Spain and Portugal the Euro-skeptics will be decisively rejected.
Why would I want to do that when it appears that the EU has a massively flawed democracy, if the only two parties capable of winning vote the same way 90% of the time you know you are screwed.
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I read that the Socialists and EPP vote the same way 90% of the time. Also we don't have any representation for the EPP in the UK, so really we either vote for Labour if we want the socialists or vote for someone else if we want the EPP.
Isn't that the same for every election though? We already know the outcome of the 2015 general election, so let's save the hassle of voting and just allocate seats as we imagine the vote to be?
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A UKIP vote could be a worthwhile vote, if you trust other EU countries to vote parties that will stick their two fingers up at the EU top dogs too, which is possible based on the current situation in a lot of mainland/Scandinavian nations.

One wasp (UKIP) might not bring the EU down, but a swarm of them could.
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(Original post by OMGWTFBBQ)
Smaller parties will always lose MEPs to bigger parties.

If you vote such that UKIP comes first I bet the defection rate plummets as there is strength in numbers.

Also who cares if eurosceptics are dividided? They are there to block legistation, not to propose it.
No MEPs are there to propose legislation. That's the job of the commission (the ones you don't get to vote for)
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The point is to vote UKIP as they are the only ones who do a good job as MEPs
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No MEPs are there to propose legislation. That's the job of the commission (the ones you don't get to vote for)
That's exactly my point; you can vote for a rubber stamp (all non EFD) or to slow the process down (EFD).
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That's exactly my point; you can vote for a rubber stamp (all non EFD) or to slow the process down (EFD).
Or reject a bill.
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The point is to vote UKIP as they are the only ones who do a good job as MEPs
It doesn't seem like they do very much as MEPs at all to me
http://britishinfluence.tumblr.com/p...her-to-turn-up

and when they do vote they vote in favour of the ivory trade and tax evasion

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5197278.html
http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-u...ion-34651.html
I wouldn't consider that doing a good job, sure they're anti EU but what's the point in voting against what is clearly a good measure?
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(Original post by RumpeIstiltskin)
It doesn't seem like they do very much as MEPs at all to me
http://britishinfluence.tumblr.com/p...her-to-turn-up

and when they do vote they vote in favour of the ivory trade and tax evasion

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5197278.html
http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-u...ion-34651.html
I wouldn't consider that doing a good job, sure they're anti EU but what's the point in voting against what is clearly a good measure?
They are not reliant sources and are bias towards liberal fascists. Also the MEPs have said the claims are untrue. So it's a few far left loons writing 10 articles a day to crush UKIP against the MEPs themselves. Until real and reliably sources data is released I am not going to buy into this left bull**** which considering recent news the left parties are excellent at.
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They are not reliant sources and are bias towards liberal fascists. Also the MEPs have said the claims are untrue. So it's a few far left loons writing 10 articles a day to crush UKIP against the MEPs themselves. Until real and reliably sources data is released I am not going to buy into this left bull**** which considering recent news the left parties are excellent at.
It's irrelevant whether the sources are biased; you can hardly dispute the facts that UKIP MEPs have a piss poor voting record and they have voted against measures aimed at combating the ivory trade and they have voted against measures aimed at curtailing tax evasion. There's a difference between "left bull****" and actual facts.
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It's irrelevant whether the sources are biased; you can hardly dispute the facts that UKIP MEPs have a piss poor voting record and they have voted against measures aimed at combating the ivory trade and they have voted against measures aimed at curtailing tax evasion. There's a difference between "left bull****" and actual facts.
They are not reliant sources and are bias towards liberal fascists. Also the MEPs have said the claims are untrue. So it's a few far left loons writing 10 articles a day to crush UKIP against the MEPs themselves. Until real and reliably sources data is released I am not going to buy into this left bull**** which considering recent news the left parties are excellent at.
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