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What a ridiculous thread title, clearly the middle-class dominates almost everything worth domnating that is respectable! There's no point exaggerating the situation.
But I agree with its central message I go to a private school and get a similar sort of reaction 'posh' blah blah. Obviously people don't like to feel that you're somehow better off than them even though many parents merely struggle to make ends meet.
I'm not trying to provoke a resposne but, what I can say is that pupils on average who go to private schools, actually work a lot harder than their state school counterparts, and it shows.
But I agree with its central message I go to a private school and get a similar sort of reaction 'posh' blah blah. Obviously people don't like to feel that you're somehow better off than them even though many parents merely struggle to make ends meet.
I'm not trying to provoke a resposne but, what I can say is that pupils on average who go to private schools, actually work a lot harder than their state school counterparts, and it shows.
*The One
What a ridiculous thread title, clearly the middle-class dominates almost everything worth domnating that is respectable! There's no point exaggerating the situation.
But I agree with its central message I go to a private school and get a similar sort of reaction 'posh' blah blah. Obviously people don't like to feel that you're somehow better off than them even though many parents merely struggle to make ends meet.
I'm not trying to provoke a resposne but, what I can say is that pupils on average who go to private schools, actually work a lot harder than their state school counterparts, and it shows.
But I agree with its central message I go to a private school and get a similar sort of reaction 'posh' blah blah. Obviously people don't like to feel that you're somehow better off than them even though many parents merely struggle to make ends meet.
I'm not trying to provoke a resposne but, what I can say is that pupils on average who go to private schools, actually work a lot harder than their state school counterparts, and it shows.
If you'd read a single page of this thread you would also notice that your post is ridiculous considering your point has been repeated quite a few times already.
I wonder where you go that statistic from
(highlighted in bold) surely it wouldn't just be your opinion would it?!?danglenister
If you'd read a single page of this thread you would also notice that your post is ridiculous considering your point has been repeated quite a few times already.
I wonder where you go that statistic from (highlighted in bold) surely it wouldn't just be your opinion would it?!?
I wonder where you go that statistic from
(highlighted in bold) surely it wouldn't just be your opinion would it?!?I was reiterating the point because others continue to accept the truth of the thread title.
What statistic? It was just a statement of opinion as you said, but that doesn't automatically mean it's false. Most people would agree that private schools tend to have an ethos that seeks to squeeze pupils for all they're worth, not just financially (I joke) , but in terms of academic performance.
I'm not saying state school puils are just less intellectually gifted or have a natural bad attitude to learning, it's the differences in environment that cause differences in work ethics.
For instance it is not uncommon for detentions to be handed out for poor homework; whereas I'd guess few state schools would punish pupils for not performing well enough.
I know many state school pupils that work very hard and a lot harder than people at private schools. I was just trying to make a reasoned point, but feel free to disagree.
Oswy
Private schools can be regarded as operating on two levels. Firstly there's the better education, secondly there's the 'old boys' network. Both creating a distinctive advantage to the child's future prospects.
Oswy.
Oswy.
Thats assuming all private schools are Eton types, which they aren't. Most are like mine, charged 3000 a year, slightly better teacher standards, good sport facilities, but nothing incredible you know? In fact the I.T. department was rather poor when compared with the comprehensive schools nearby
.There is certainly no 'old boys network'
.I have quite a few friends who went to Parmiters which is down the road from my old school, it was 22nd in the country for A-level results the other day. Which is far better than my old school. It is not universally true that public schools are better than comprehensives.
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What makes me smile is the people complaining about the higher standards in private schools are also citing them as a bad thing for society, despite the fact that parents who pay for their childs education in a private school immediately free's up space in a nearby puiblic school, allowing more kids to have more resources.
The left never cease to amaze me.
The left never cease to amaze me.
ForeverIsMyName
What makes me smile is the people complaining about the higher standards in private schools are also citing them as a bad thing for society, despite the fact that parents who pay for their childs education in a private school immediately free's up space in a nearby puiblic school, allowing more kids to have more resources.
The left never cease to amaze me.
The left never cease to amaze me.
we try our best.
Alternatively, rather than parents buying their children's grades, we could...I don't know, tax them a little more and put that money into state schools instead. That way everyone benefits.
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Thud
Alternatively, rather than parents buying their children's grades, we could...I don't know, tax them a little more and put that money into state schools instead. That way everyone benefits.
Yeah, socialised parts of the economy always benefit all.
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Sounds like fun.
That's what happens when the state/people/regime (Whatever you want to call it) don't run every aspect of the populaces' lives. People without supervision are a very destructive force
That's what happens when the state/people/regime (Whatever you want to call it) don't run every aspect of the populaces' lives. People without supervision are a very destructive force
Thud
we try our best.
Alternatively, rather than parents buying their children's grades, we could...I don't know, tax them a little more and put that money into state schools instead. That way everyone benefits.
Alternatively, rather than parents buying their children's grades, we could...I don't know, tax them a little more and put that money into state schools instead. That way everyone benefits.
Not the people you've taxed. Your essentially saying 'you've worked hard this year, this person hasn't...however, your going to suppliment their income through tax, you naughty naughty rich person! How dare you give your child the best you can!'
It isn't the money that gets the homework done, the revision done...the child does that. It is possible whether or not a fee has been paid at the start of the year
.You are assuming that public schooling leads automatically to success, which is far from the case. Heh, you should have seen my prospects three years ago. It is not a massive boost, a removal from the line into another, but a relatively minor advantage depending on what kind of public school institution you attend.
Thud
well yes usually it does.
Unless of course you like stepping over the rotting children's corpses of the poor on the way to school.
Unless of course you like stepping over the rotting children's corpses of the poor on the way to school.
We're not in Uganda...
I don't remember encountering the rotting corpses of any poor children on the way to school...and in saying that your assuming moral degeneracy on the part of the middle-classes :P.
tehjonny
Not the people you've taxed. Your essentially saying 'you've worked hard this year, this person hasn't...however, your going to suppliment their income through tax, you naughty naughty rich person! How dare you give your child the best you can!'
It isn't the money that gets the homework done, the revision done...the child does that. It is possible whether or not a fee has been paid at the start of the year.
You are assuming that public schooling leads automatically to success, which is far from the case. Heh, you should have seen my prospects three years ago. It is not a massive boost, a removal from the line into another, but a relatively minor advantage depending on what kind of public school institution you attend.
It isn't the money that gets the homework done, the revision done...the child does that. It is possible whether or not a fee has been paid at the start of the year
.You are assuming that public schooling leads automatically to success, which is far from the case. Heh, you should have seen my prospects three years ago. It is not a massive boost, a removal from the line into another, but a relatively minor advantage depending on what kind of public school institution you attend.
just rise the 40% tax level.
It does help - better teachers, better enviroment, better equipment, etc etc it all leads to an easier way to learn and people can pass exams with far less work/revision.
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flic_pearson
All I seem to be hearing recently are attacks on people who are deemed to be middle class.
All the university threads seem to make out being middle class and privately educated is a sort of crime and I really dont get it. Quite often middle class students have no more, and possibly less money to live on than so-called 'poorer' students as they don't recieve anywhere near the amount of support from the state be that in the form of grants or even loans.
Furthermore, I really hate people being described as 'rahs' or 'yahs'. Not only does this perpetuate prejudice but it is somewhat unfair to paint such a negative image of people. Whilst some individuals may well be obnoxious and snobby that is not true of the majority. Indeed many of those who are privately educated and from middle class families are decidedly grounded and usually extremely polite and considerate.
So please, try to be less insulting to a group of people. Slag off the individuals you have met who are jerks but dont generalise people like that.
It is no different to someone suggesting that all people who live on a council estate are drug addicts and theives. Categorically untrue and intensely insulting to the majority of that group.
So thats my rant. Please feel free to add to it.
All the university threads seem to make out being middle class and privately educated is a sort of crime and I really dont get it. Quite often middle class students have no more, and possibly less money to live on than so-called 'poorer' students as they don't recieve anywhere near the amount of support from the state be that in the form of grants or even loans.
Furthermore, I really hate people being described as 'rahs' or 'yahs'. Not only does this perpetuate prejudice but it is somewhat unfair to paint such a negative image of people. Whilst some individuals may well be obnoxious and snobby that is not true of the majority. Indeed many of those who are privately educated and from middle class families are decidedly grounded and usually extremely polite and considerate.
So please, try to be less insulting to a group of people. Slag off the individuals you have met who are jerks but dont generalise people like that.
It is no different to someone suggesting that all people who live on a council estate are drug addicts and theives. Categorically untrue and intensely insulting to the majority of that group.
So thats my rant. Please feel free to add to it.
Damn straight.
I had to work so hard juggling part time work and my studies to get to university and I feel I have been penalised as one or two of my friends got EMA and used to use it on a shopping spree at Topshop once a week! These friends even had higher income families than mine because their parents were divorced and they lived with their poorer parent (even though the rich parent sent money to them all of the time). I think EMA is a good thing f you are truly poor and I think that the income range for it should be so much lower.
I am at a well ranked new university and I hate people's attitudes towards me and my upbringing. They have so many preconceived ideas about me and constantly think that I am "rolling in the money" even though my parents instilled in me a sense of working for my own pocket money (hence why I spent the summer doing split shifts five days a week).
Of course there is the same bad opinion of the working class as ASBO chavs when I've known some working class families with the warmest hearts who are hard working with good values.
I guess no one wins.
Coming from a poor background + crap schooling means you have to deal with moronic peers, disillusioned teachers, and very poor discipline. It doesn't mean you can't succeed but what it does mean is that you have to work that much harder and drag yourself out of a pool of **** to get any where. This is what people on the right don't seem to "get" also I have nothing against private schools, if I can afford it I'd send my children there too, this doesn't take anything away from my previous point.
Reply 237
I go to a state school, and I don't see how it's possible for private school pupils not to work harder than their state school counterparts.
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