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Why does everyone hate the middle classes so much??
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Reply 20
flic_pearson
the assumption i resent is that anyone who went to a private school has success and money handed to them on a platter. they have to work just as hard as anyone else. and chances r their parents have worked immensely hard to provide them with the education they received
Yeah. Their parents did. And there's the rub. It's so much *easier* to be successful when you have interested parents and lots of money spent on your education, with smaller class sizes and better teaching and so on and so forth.
Reply 23
BovineBeast
Yeah. Their parents did. And there's the rub. It's so much *easier* to be successful when you have interested parents and lots of money spent on your education, with smaller class sizes and better teaching and so on and so forth.
i think you will finds that its the kids in private schools have more issues than most. just because you have been sent to a private school it doesnt mean your parents show any interest in you, in fact ive noticed the opposit.
your education may be better but thats because you have been made to work damn hard at it.
Reply 24
well im sure i am probably wot a lot of people would count as a 'toff' or 'rah' but both my parents and i are having to work hard to be able to pay for me to go to university. i have been working 7days a week over the summer to help pay for the costs of living away from home. where in that am i at a decided advantage? people with lesser family earning qualifies not only for access to a considerabley greater student loan but also to grants which they need not pay back. and i have taken exactly the same exams.
lets not pretend like the teaching makes a great deal of difference either. i have spent parts of my education in state schools and if you are willing to work then the teaching is just as good as a private school.
lets not pretend like the teaching makes a great deal of difference either. i have spent parts of my education in state schools and if you are willing to work then the teaching is just as good as a private school.
flic_pearson
well im sure i am probably wot a lot of people would count as a 'toff' or 'rah' but both my parents and i are having to work hard to be able to pay for me to go to university. i have been working 7days a week over the summer to help pay for the costs of living away from home. where in that am i at a decided advantage? people with lesser family earning qualifies not only for access to a considerabley greater student loan but also to grants which they need not pay back. and i have taken exactly the same exams.
lets not pretend like the teaching makes a great deal of difference either. i have spent parts of my education in state schools and if you are willing to work then the teaching is just as good as a private school.
lets not pretend like the teaching makes a great deal of difference either. i have spent parts of my education in state schools and if you are willing to work then the teaching is just as good as a private school.
As much as I don't have anything against middle class people, why on earth did you start this preaching about why certain people hate the middle class, knowing full well certain people in this forum do and then go for the sympathy vote.
I respect that you are working hard to get into a good uni, but you sort of brought it on yourself by opening this convo.
Reply 27
flic_pearson
lets not pretend like the teaching makes a great deal of difference either. i have spent parts of my education in state schools and if you are willing to work then the teaching is just as good as a private school.
lets not pretend like the teaching makes a great deal of difference either. i have spent parts of my education in state schools and if you are willing to work then the teaching is just as good as a private school.
Really? I've been in both, and, to be honest, it was mostly (although not universally, it did vary a lot) better at the private school.
flic_pearson
well im sure i am probably wot a lot of people would count as a 'toff' or 'rah' but both my parents and i are having to work hard to be able to pay for me to go to university. i have been working 7days a week over the summer to help pay for the costs of living away from home. where in that am i at a decided advantage? people with lesser family earning qualifies not only for access to a considerabley greater student loan but also to grants which they need not pay back. and i have taken exactly the same exams.
lets not pretend like the teaching makes a great deal of difference either. i have spent parts of my education in state schools and if you are willing to work then the teaching is just as good as a private school.
lets not pretend like the teaching makes a great deal of difference either. i have spent parts of my education in state schools and if you are willing to work then the teaching is just as good as a private school.
oh stop with the lies.
you get 75% of what the very poorest get, that's £3305 (something like that), you don't need to work all summer and your parents probably aren't that pushed to find the extra 25%. Ok sure, you might have to cut down on the cavier before going out to the very best club in town, and maybe you won't be able to buy all your clothes from Selfriges, but I'm sure you'll get over it eventually.
Reply 29
if someone has the ability they will succeed in either system. there will be some variations due to different teachers. u get good teachers and bad teachers in either system. it is just luck of the draw.
Reply 30
flic_pearson
lets not pretend like the teaching makes a great deal of difference either. i have spent parts of my education in state schools and if you are willing to work then the teaching is just as good as a private school.
lets not pretend like the teaching makes a great deal of difference either. i have spent parts of my education in state schools and if you are willing to work then the teaching is just as good as a private school.
i disagree. yes some of the teachers in state schools are *amazing* but some are really just awful. *thinks about her indian biology teacher whos English was 'basic' at best, then remembers she was lucky not to get the english lit teacher who didnt speak fluent english*
Really? I've been in both, and, to be honest, it was mostly (although not universally, it did vary a lot) better at the private school.
Thats what I would have thought. You pay for private school to then not get a better education?!?! Sounds a bit like shooting yourself in the foot to me.
Reply 32
flic_pearson
So why do you think that educational success is positively correlated to household income? I'm sorry, but it's simply not true that it's just as hard for the middle class.
Reply 33
i get 850 and am expected to live off of that for a year. and thats all i get, to pay for accomodation, food, books and anything else i might need. i had no choice but to work.
and why exactly do you assume i have ever tasted caviar? just cos i went to a private school doesnt mean im rolling in it. it was solely a question of priorities.
and why exactly do you assume i have ever tasted caviar? just cos i went to a private school doesnt mean im rolling in it. it was solely a question of priorities.
Reply 34
BovineBeast
Yeah. Their parents did. And there's the rub. It's so much *easier* to be successful when you have interested parents and lots of money spent on your education, with smaller class sizes and better teaching and so on and so forth.
But what if someone comes from, for example a council estate and works themselves upto a position of money and then has kids and wants them to benefit with the rewards of that.
What do you suggest? they just hand over all the money to the state when they die. That's exactly what this present government is trying to do.
Reply 35
flic_pearson
i get 850 and am expected to live off of that for a year. and thats all i get, to pay for accomodation, food, books and anything else i might need. i had no choice but to work.
Only £850? Er, that seems a little wrong. The non-means-tested loan is about £3000 (£4000 if you live in London).
and why exactly do you assume i have ever tasted caviar? just cos i went to a private school doesnt mean im rolling in it. it was solely a question of priorities.
Yes it does, unless you got a scholarship or something.
Reply 36
it is all about attitude. private schools' exam results are not exactly the most reliable source as they will just withdraw candidates from exams in which they are expected to do badly.
private education isnt always about the academical qualities. its about the extra-curricular learning. as was amply demonstrated by the way my school and its crap teachers buggered up our french exam this past year.
private education isnt always about the academical qualities. its about the extra-curricular learning. as was amply demonstrated by the way my school and its crap teachers buggered up our french exam this past year.
flic_pearson
i get 850 and am expected to live off of that for a year. and thats all i get, to pay for accomodation, food, books and anything else i might need. i had no choice but to work.
and why exactly do you assume i have ever tasted caviar? just cos i went to a private school doesnt mean im rolling in it. it was solely a question of priorities.
and why exactly do you assume i have ever tasted caviar? just cos i went to a private school doesnt mean im rolling in it. it was solely a question of priorities.
well then, you're not getting what you're entitled to. I'm sure your private tutor will do the research if you can't be bothered to.
Reply 38
flic_pearson
it was solely a question of priorities.
my parents thought giving me a good education was worth giving up luxuries like holidays, a nice car etc and worked all the hours god gave them to support me.
btw both of them come from working class backgrounds
Reply 39
Fordyville
But what if someone comes from, for example a council estate and works themselves upto a position of money and then has kids and wants them to benefit with the rewards of that.
Well, my parents did, to a large extent. And at least one of them agrees with me. Anyway, why should these Children be benefiting from what their parents did at all? It's not like they chose to be born to those parents. It is, to my mind, an unfortunate fact of life, but we can at least be doing as much as we can to minimise the gap.
What do you suggest? they just hand over all the money to the state when they die. That's exactly what this present government is trying to do.
I don't think that's such a bad idea, frankly. It's not like they're going to need it, and hopefully their Children are self-reliant by the time they die. If not, there can always be exceptions.
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