Why does everyone hate the middle classes so much??

ok it might be different in england or w/e but im in scotland and get 850 to live on a year. thats it.

my parent have never been rolling in it. all of their spare money was put into sending me to school. and private schooling isnt actually that expensive unless u r talking about places like eton or cheltenham ladies' college. in fact most of the schools cost the same or less per year than the figure which the government spends per pupil per year in the state system (approx 5500). and while we are at it, if the parents of the middle class didnt take their children into the private system the entire state education system would collapse because it simply could not cope with the numbers.

try thinking about what ur saying before u say it ok?

which is why when Brown did the budget he promised to get state school spending per pupil up to the same level as current spending per pupil in private schools? Because they are already at "the same or less" level? ^o)

a blatant lie on your part I think.

ok it might be different in england or w/e but im in scotland and get 850 to live on a year. thats it.

my parent have never been rolling in it. all of their spare money was put into sending me to school. and private schooling isnt actually that expensive unless u r talking about places like eton or cheltenham ladies' college. in fact most of the schools cost the same or less per year than the figure which the government spends per pupil per year in the state system (approx 5500). and while we are at it, if the parents of the middle class didnt take their children into the private system the entire state education system would collapse because it simply could not cope with the numbers.

try thinking about what ur saying before u say it ok?

actually no. the reason they are saying it is because it is a little knwn fact and so they can get away with it. some private schools are expensive, that i will grant you, but if the current government is saying that they can afford to bring them level do you honestly think there is any significant difference or do you actually just not understand politics and economics?

I would like to point out that this thread is becoming a war of words between private and state school students and some of this is so repetitive its unreal.

The whole point of this thread was to challenge a stereotype that everyone who has commented from state school has shown to still be evident - you all keep assuming these people are stinking rich which is simply not true.

I go to state school myself, and I have nothing wrong with people going to private school if they want a good education.

One problem I do have with private school people in this convo, is how you seemingly contradict yourself:

you have one private school person saying....


then another states that they go to private school to get...


Now don't get me wrong but hmm thats a little contradictory there. Yes, you do generally get a better education at private school, face it (thats what you pay the extra money for). I am not saying that people should be ashamed of that, in fact its quite commendable that you take your studies so seriously as to enroll in a private school, but trying to rubbish the idea that you went there for a better education is, in some ways, extremely insulting to those who are in state school.

someone who gets a lot out of a private education would get just as much out of a state school education. it is all about what u take from education.

its not the academics that make private schools worth paying for. its the kind of socialisation they provide. for example, you will often find that private school pupils will have more self confidence than state school pupils when put into a new situation (a bit of a generalisation i knw but i have seen it happen time after time). that is the kind of thing parents pay for.

clearly it is you who doesn't understand.

bring public school spending up to the CURRENT level of private schools. Meanwhile inflation will happen and private school spending will INCREASE, leading to the same difference.

oh dear, maybe you should think about your answer next time, toff? I put some words in capitals to make it easier for you to understand.

So you are telling me that people who go to sevenoaks grammar school pay £14000 a year to get more self confidence.. don't make me laugh They pay for a better education... and I think it is a good thing if you can afford it... why not get a better education?

Well, my parents did, to a large extent. And at least one of them agrees with me. Anyway, why should these Children be benefiting from what their parents did at all? It's not like they chose to be born to those parents. It is, to my mind, an unfortunate fact of life, but we can at least be doing as much as we can to minimise the gap.



I don't think that's such a bad idea, frankly. It's not like they're going to need it, and hopefully their Children are self-reliant by the time they die. If not, there can always be exceptions.

inflation affects everyone moron.
that means that the prices private schools pay for everything the utilise goes up too. hence everything goes up in proportion.

and current, means of the moment ok hence to equalise the level of spending, matching them

laugh all u like. but they wont be getting a greatly different education to anyone else. everyone in the country follows the same curriculum. the mere fact that u get people with 4 or 5 or 6 As at A level in both the private and state sectors just shows me that academic education is about what the individual takes from it in the same way as the people who flunk out of both private and state sector schools with no qualifications.

my god!

If current spending is £6 state schools and £10 private schools, then current private school spending is £10. RIGHT?!?!?!!?!!!!

so with inflation the spending in state schools will go up, to, say £8. Brown then only needs £2 per person.

Meanwhile, private school prices have been increasing AT A RATE HIGHER THAN INFLATION in recent years so spending there might go up to £18 per pupil.

DO YOU SEE?

DO YOU SEE?

DO YOU SEE?

DO YOU SEE?

You think so blind its almost unbelievable. For example:

High performing state school - Dartford Grammar
High performing private school - Sevenoaks Grammar

Average points score for HPSS at IB - 34 points /45
Average points score for HPPS at IB - 38.2 points / 45

Now try telling me that everyone gets the same education - might be the same curriculum, but it depends how you teach it.

that is not the point. it is not the education it is the environment and the attitudes. moving a failing state school pupil into a private school would make no difference, they would still fail either due to their ability level or their attitude to learning. in the same way a high achiever would not change either. they would still achieve.

clearly it is you who doesn't understand.

bring public school spending up to the CURRENT level of private schools. Meanwhile inflation will happen and private school spending will INCREASE, leading to the same difference.

oh dear, maybe you should think about your answer next time, toff? I put some words in capitals to make it easier for you to understand.

Oh please thats like saying that an England fan being in the Northern Ireland fans end at a football match wouldn't change his loyalty. If you started out in the Northern Ireland fans before you had a team though, you'd probably support Northern Ireland.

Don't you get it. Of course people don't normally change when they move across. But I bet if you start in that position, its a bloody good kick in the right direction.