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Why does everyone hate the middle classes so much??
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Another question that's appropriate to this thread is why do people hate the working classes? It just seems that everytime that I open newspapers like the Daily Mail, they are quick to label everyone with certain living standards a "chav" and brush them of as nothing but money-grabers.
M_Jenkins
Another question that's appropriate to this thread is why do people hate the working classes? It just seems that everytime that I open newspapers like the Daily Mail, they are quick to label everyone with certain living standards a "chav" and brush them of as nothing but money-grabers.
Chav is a stereotype people love to hate therefore the papers find another chav story and... tada! more sales for their paper. Tabloids are the worst, and i'm afraid the UK is probably the worst in the world for media bending the truth.
danglenister
One problem I do have with private school people in this convo, is how you seemingly contradict yourself:
you have one private school person saying....
then another states that they go to private school to get...
Now don't get me wrong but hmm thats a little contradictory there. Yes, you do generally get a better education at private school, face it (thats what you pay the extra money for). I am not saying that people should be ashamed of that, in fact its quite commendable that you take your studies so seriously as to enroll in a private school, but trying to rubbish the idea that you went there for a better education is, in some ways, extremely insulting to those who are in state school.
you have one private school person saying....
then another states that they go to private school to get...
Now don't get me wrong but hmm thats a little contradictory there. Yes, you do generally get a better education at private school, face it (thats what you pay the extra money for). I am not saying that people should be ashamed of that, in fact its quite commendable that you take your studies so seriously as to enroll in a private school, but trying to rubbish the idea that you went there for a better education is, in some ways, extremely insulting to those who are in state school.
But it's true in a sense. In the state sector there are some excellent teachers and in theory most state students have every opportunity (if not more with the quotas some unis impose on state intake). Where state schools lack is in the creation of an ambience which encourages acheivement and values, rather than derides, intelligence. As a result, the good teachers don't get results and lose motivation, and the good pupils don't try for fear of derision by their fellow classmates. I never had such a problem at my private school, where teachers were for the most part motivated and pupils competitive over their results.
Times online ranking for top schools at GCSE....
St Paul's Girls' School, London
City of London School For Girls, London
Wycombe Abbey School, High Wycombe
North London Collegiate School - The, Edgware
Haberdashers' Aske's Sch for Girls, Borehamwood
Withington Girls' School, Manchester
St Paul's School, London
Sevenoaks School, Sevenoaks
Channing School, London
Westminster School, London
Well there is your top 10 and guess what?!?! unless I am mistaken all 10 are private schools. If you go further into the top 20 you will find there are still NO state schools present.
Facts speak volumes and education can be measured via success.. and considering these are the most successful in the country and are all private schools, surely private schools do generally get a better education or are these just 10 anomolies?!?!
Added to this, most schools state that you pay tuition fees.. Now if you pay for tuition and you get a rubbish teacher, what the hell is the point in paying the fees?!?
Sorry to be so blunt
St Paul's Girls' School, London
City of London School For Girls, London
Wycombe Abbey School, High Wycombe
North London Collegiate School - The, Edgware
Haberdashers' Aske's Sch for Girls, Borehamwood
Withington Girls' School, Manchester
St Paul's School, London
Sevenoaks School, Sevenoaks
Channing School, London
Westminster School, London
Well there is your top 10 and guess what?!?! unless I am mistaken all 10 are private schools. If you go further into the top 20 you will find there are still NO state schools present.
Facts speak volumes and education can be measured via success.. and considering these are the most successful in the country and are all private schools, surely private schools do generally get a better education or are these just 10 anomolies?!?!
Added to this, most schools state that you pay tuition fees.. Now if you pay for tuition and you get a rubbish teacher, what the hell is the point in paying the fees?!?
Sorry to be so blunt
Thud
I actually don't mind the middle classes, so long as they're not pompous, arrogant, discriminating twunts like the op appears to be. I mean ffs; private schools are no better than state schools?
Of course they are. Look at the state track record. How many leave school each year with zero (or very qualifications) and in a condition of practical illiteracy and innumeracy. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS! 12 years of complulsary education and they barely read. It's a disgrace.
Howard
Of course they are. Look at the state track record. How many leave school each year with zero (or very qualifications) and in a condition of practical illiteracy and innumeracy. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS! 12 years of complulsary education and they barely read. It's a disgrace.
indeed.
now you can see the stupidity of the OP. ;yes;
Reply 93
Having been raised to the middle classes by education I think it's all rather simple - the middle class have enough money to be despised by those beneath them and not enough power to be taken advantage of by those above them.
Reply 95
SolInvictus
I remember my socialist stage..... *reminiscing* It involved a whole lot of me wanting what everyone else had.
Aaaaaw, and you thought that was socialism? How long was it after this stage that you were able, without error, to define political ideologies?
Reply 96
lol read through bits of this erm the thing i hate the most about pple that try and defend their paying for grades, sorry i mean attendance of private schools is that they all make crap arguments like ' my mum sacrificed a lot ' for ur mummy to make those sacrifices she had to have things to sacrifice in the first place. for a lot of people attendance of private schools is simply not financially viable whether or not their parents pay 60 quid for a sun holiday to devon is irrelevant, that might just about by them half the uniform.
yes and also erm is middle class really the private school class, i think 2bh for a lot its more an upper class thing. Admittedly while most people in the UK today will in fact exceed the class rating of their parents, they will at the same time be exceptionally modest about the class they are in (ie say working when really middle) so for someone to say i am middle and i go to private school doesnt really qualify as an argument; it is more likely u are undervaluing ur class - just arguing in advance
yes and also erm is middle class really the private school class, i think 2bh for a lot its more an upper class thing. Admittedly while most people in the UK today will in fact exceed the class rating of their parents, they will at the same time be exceptionally modest about the class they are in (ie say working when really middle) so for someone to say i am middle and i go to private school doesnt really qualify as an argument; it is more likely u are undervaluing ur class - just arguing in advance
Reply 97
andy_cole2
lol read through bits of this erm the thing i hate the most about pple that try and defend their paying for grades, sorry i mean attendance of private schools is that they all make crap arguments like ' my mum sacrificed a lot ' for ur mummy to make those sacrifices she had to have things to sacrifice in the first place.
by "grades" i suppose you mean the special needs classes that i *needed*. i worked ****ing hard for those grades just like everyone else. if your kid was dyslexic or had learning difficulties would you seriously just say 'well the state system says they are thick so i'll give up on them'. your right it shouldnt be like that but the truth is schools dont have the funding to give kids more than 30 mins special needs every month. funnily enough that doesnt help anyone.
as for sacrifices, time is something everyone has to give up.
I don't know why the working classes should hate the middle class. its the middle class who pay the taxes for their child tax credits and uni grants. It must come down to some sort of jealousy because in economic terms the middle class are giving the working class money. And the working class pay less back.
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