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Why does everyone hate the middle classes so much??
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Zakatu
I don't know why the working classes should hate the middle class. its the middle class who pay the taxes for their child tax credits and uni grants. It must come down to some sort of jealousy because in economic terms the middle class are giving the working class money. And the working class pay less back.
ya, it simply must be jealousy.
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creak
Liar. Alternative sources state otherwise.
then they are just plain wrong. the reason people in private schools do better is because they have better and more intensive teaching, work longer hours, and cant get away with slacking.
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Laika
Someone should tell all those hard working parents who sacrifice their evening meals for 10 years to send their kids to private school that they needn't bother. You can get an education for free these days haven't you heard.
again, what if your child has special needs?
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high priestess fnord
i disagree. yes some of the teachers in state schools are *amazing* but some are really just awful. *thinks about her indian biology teacher whos English was 'basic' at best, then remembers she was lucky not to get the english lit teacher who didnt speak fluent english*
I had two teachers like that mr wormenor and mr koombson you couldn't understand them at all. Mr wormenor was horrified that all the kids weren't really enthusistic and once sent seven or eight children out of class in one go then when we were in detention he told us to write out our times tables up to our 25 times table without a calculator I knew up to 12x and most of the rest didn't know them that far, no-one finished it! Mr koombson just let us do whatever and had only two strategies 1) Ignore it 2) Send us to the head of year. If you actually tried to learn anything in either class you would have ended up sitting on your own covered in spitballs copying off the board and not understanding what you were copying because of a semi coherrent semi afrikaans explanation.
Foreign teachers can be bad (I once had a Russian chemistry teacher - plenty of Soviet jokes were thrown around), but they're not as bad as newly qualified teachers, they suck.
Their attempts at student control and 'fun' teaching methods are so hilariously taken from some poor seminar that just doesn't apply in a real classroom. And then they end up crying in the stock cupboard.
Their attempts at student control and 'fun' teaching methods are so hilariously taken from some poor seminar that just doesn't apply in a real classroom. And then they end up crying in the stock cupboard.
high priestess fnord
then they are just plain wrong. the reason people in private schools do better is because they have better and more intensive teaching, work longer hours, and cant get away with slacking.
I was actually referring to you own self-description as a 'professional slacker'.
Reply 108
Laika
What sort of special needs?
at the moment bright kids with dyslexia, dysbraxia (sp?) and other learning difficulties are not given any support to get high grades. insted they slip through the net because although they may be bright enough to keep up they cant without regular special needs lessons. in large classes a teacher may not even notice a pupil has special needs, they just assume they are less inteligent.
Reply 109
creak
I was actually referring to you own self-description as a 'professional slacker'.
im an art student. all my mates doing maths and law etc joke that its just slacking.
Reply 110
Laika
Goreign teachers can be bad (I once had a Russian chemistry teacher - plenty of Soviet jokes were thrown around), but they're not as bad as newly qualified teachers, they suck.
Their attempts at student control and 'fun' teaching methods are so hilariously taken from some poor seminar that just doesn't apply in a real classroom. And then they end up crying in the stock cupboard.
Their attempts at student control and 'fun' teaching methods are so hilariously taken from some poor seminar that just doesn't apply in a real classroom. And then they end up crying in the stock cupboard.
those teahers would never be hired in a private school. private schools pay better and employ better teachers.
Reply 112
I went to a state school where just like every other state school in the country the annual spending on a pupil was £2000 a year, my brother went to a private school where annual spending was £30,000 a year and a friend went to seven oaks where fees are extremely high. Now which school do you think could afford better quality equipment? Which school could afford to hire more experienced and better qualified teachers who require higher salaries than trainees? and which school do you think gave the best opportunity for pupils to pass their exams? In sevenoaks you are rewarded for academic excellence at my brother's school you might get a treat, at my school the teachers said little and you got verbal and physical abuse in the playground. My friend and I were both in the middle sets in our schools he was told to aim for an A I was told to "aim for an E a lot of people say that only A to C grades count but an E is also a pass, so don't be upset if you get an E". He got A's and B's and his parents were satisfied, I got 8C's and two D's and recieved a letter of congratualations for achieving more than 5 A*-C passes. My mum has taught in numerous state schools as a supply teacher and says that is not a particularly shocking situation, all the schools she's taught in are in more or less the same situation. If I have kids I definatly want to send them to a private school, rather than a school like mine where getting into oxbridge gets you a half page article devoted solely to you on the front page of the termly news letter.
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As for kids with special needs it was only when my Dad paid for me to have a test done privately that they realsied that I had any and I was 15 at the time! It's also only because of my Dad's 1 to 1 teaching that I passed my maths GCSE because given that I was moved between three sets (middle, lower and advanced higher) I doubt I would have passed otherwise. It is wrong to resent the middle class because they were lucky enough to have what the working class want, but it is hypocritical for middle class people to say that they would be willing to give up all the priviledges that they have got by birth.
Reply 114
turbochargedk
As for kids with special needs it was only when my Dad paid for me to have a test done privately that they realsied that I had any and I was 15 at the time! It's also only because of my Dad's 1 to 1 teaching that I passed my maths GCSE because given that I was moved between three sets (middle, lower and advanced higher) I doubt I would have passed otherwise. It is wrong to resent the middle class because they were lucky enough to have what the working class want, but it is hypocritical for middle class people to say that they would be willing to give up all the priviledges that they have got by birth.
i changed schools and in two years i moved from bottom set for everything to top set for everything. they realised i was dyslexic, something that should have been very obvious as i was getting letters mixed up/writing some the wrong way round.
high priestess fnord
then they are just plain wrong. the reason people in private schools do better is because they have better and more intensive teaching, work longer hours, and cant get away with slacking.
Which is precisely what this whole thread was about a few days ago. You pay for private school because you get a better education - primarily because you get better teaching.
Marx might have replied that class conflict is an historical inevitability. My observation is that many among the middle-class either remain silent or join in when 'chavs' are being derided, but are sensitive to those who criticise their own socio-economic situatedness.
Maybe more of us should be studying Marxian ideas?
Oswy.
Maybe more of us should be studying Marxian ideas?
Oswy.
Oswy
Marx might have replied that class conflict is an historical inevitability. My observation is that many among the middle-class either remain silent or join in when 'chavs' are being derided, but are sensitive to those who criticise their own socio-economic situatedness.
Maybe more of us should be studying Marxian ideas?
Oswy.
Maybe more of us should be studying Marxian ideas?
Oswy.
I would say the opposite, the white middle-class are about the only socio-economic group you can slag off and still be politically correct, and they make a lot of jokes about themselves. Think about how many comedians belong to that group.
allymcb2
I would say the opposite, the white middle-class are about the only socio-economic group you can slag off and still be politically correct, and they make a lot of jokes about themselves. Think about how many comedians belong to that group.
no.
ever picked up a copy of the daily mail?
Or watched comedy programmes on tv (little britain)?
allymcb2
I would say the opposite, the white middle-class are about the only socio-economic group you can slag off and still be politically correct, and they make a lot of jokes about themselves. Think about how many comedians belong to that group.
Ah, but what constitutes 'politically correct' is not as simple as it may seem. And it should be noted, in line with the ideas of post-structuralism, that what is said has meanings which relate to the contexts in which they are transmitted and received.
Oswy.
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