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Please vote tomorrow, but please don't vote for UKIP - some reasons watch

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    Please, please try and vote tomorrow. People in our age group, especially students, are not valued sufficiently by governments because of our low turn out at elections. Please take the half an hour it generally takes to cast your vote. Your nation thanks you.

    If you are voting, I can understand how angry a lot of us are with the main political parties, rightly so. However, UKIP are not the right choice. Here's why.

    1/ UKIP offer simple-sounding solutions. Leaving Europe. Getting rid of immigration. Cutting taxes. But when you dig, they aren't so simple. They want to introduce a lot of harsh, reactionary policies. They are really Conservatives and well to the right of many Tories. They want to increase taxes on nearly every wage earner and eliminate them for the very rich.

    2/ Voting for UKIP in the EU elections, whilst it will register a protest, will be a wasted vote. UKIP will not act in the EU Parliament - they are proud of the fact that they will no nothing. Farage has repeatedly stated how happy he is that they never vote. This election is purely a stepping stone for them, they want to be in power or coalition in the UK.

    3/ There are many important issues before the EU Parliament, like climate change (UKIP don't believe in it), environmental controls (UKIP are against them), worker's rights (UKIP oppose those) and, yes, immigration. (UKIP won't vote, so no effect there.) The EU Parliament DOES matter and don't let UKIP tell you it doesn't. Also, UKIP can't have it both ways. If they are right and the EU dominates legislation now, they should involve themselves in the Parliament. Or, if as they claim, the Parliament is irrelevant, why vote for them and why do they claim the legislation is such a problem?

    4/ They want to close the NHS. Paul Nuttall, the Deputy Leader, has stated this clearly on his blog. They wish to privatise it completely. The result would be a US-style system of horribly expensive private insurance for the middle classes and negligible care for the poor and hospitals doing medically unnecessary surgery to make profits on vulnerable patients.

    5/ They don't really care about anything except their loathing of what they perceive to be a 'socialist' EU. Yet in practise the EU is frequently dominated by corporate interests. UKIP are muddle-headed and out of date. They are fighting a battle from the 1980s, not today.

    6/ They aren't very nice people. Despite the bonhomie and cleverness of Nigel Farage, many of the people elected tomorrow (if they are) will be hardcore racists, crooks, disreputable ex-politicians from other parties (so much for the 'radical newness' of UKIP) and fools. Is this who we really want to represent Britain in Europe?

    There are more reasons, but that's something to go with.

    I don't particularly care in this post who you decide to vote for.

    ******* :five: JUST PLEASE VOTE - AND DON'T VOTE FOR UKIP! :five:*****

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    Please Vote UKIP tomorrow - this is one of the few times where your vote actually makes a difference.

    Why?

    * EU elections are proportional representation
    * The longer the EU goes unopposed the more powerful it becomes and the more difficult it will become to hold it to account later
    * You can give the Tories a good embarassing thrashing by voting UKIP
    * Send a clear message that EU overreach has got to stop
    * Prove that the British public aren't sheep and can't be controlled by a media smear campaign - you're smarter than that!

    If UKIP isn't your style, the please vote for some other minority party. We have to let the big 3 know that things have got to change!
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    I am voting UKIP
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    (Original post by OMGWTFBBQ)
    Please Vote UKIP tomorrow - this is one of the few times where your vote actually makes a difference.

    Why?

    * EU elections are proportional representation
    * The longer the EU goes unopposed the more powerful it becomes and the more difficult it will become to hold it to account later
    * You can give the Tories a good embarassing thrashing by voting UKIP
    * Send a clear message that EU overreach has got to stop
    * Prove that the British public aren't sheep and can't be controlled by a media smear campaign - you're smarter than that!

    If UKIP isn't your style, the please vote for some other minority party. We have to let the big 3 know that things have got to change!
    I agree with your last sentence. I will be voting Green.

    EU over-reach stopped a long time ago, when many countries rejected their attempt at a constitution. Since then, the Parliament's powers have been considerably strengthened and it is important to participate in it. UKIP have, as I said, made it clear they won't participate. They are behind the times.
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    I was planning on either voting Green or Labour, but your whining massively tempts me to vote UKIP...
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    Good point. Except title of the thread should read: "Please vote tomorrow, and for anyone you want"

    I swear half of the people voting UKIP are only doing it because 'the establishment' are telling them not to.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I agree with your last sentence. I will be voting Green.

    EU over-reach stopped a long time ago, when many countries rejected their attempt at a constitution. Since then, the Parliament's powers have been considerably strengthened and it is important to participate in it. UKIP have, as I said, made it clear they won't participate. They are behind the times.
    :five: for the Greens!
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    (Original post by AntiMonarchist)
    Good point. Except title of the thread should read: "Please vote tomorrow, and for anyone you want"

    I swear half of the people voting UKIP are only doing it because 'the establishment' are telling them not to.
    This is so correct it's unreal

    The people who vote for them are socially alienated, part-time fascists who "hate politics", so every time they hear someone tell them, don't vote UKIP. They think they must be good.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    This is so correct it's unreal

    The people who vote for them are socially alienated, part-time fascists who "hate politics", so every time they hear someone tell them, don't vote UKIP. They think they must be good.
    Who are you voting for?
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    Put in a blank vote if you really want a change.

    Or vote Green if you really have to vote for someone...
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    (Original post by OMGWTFBBQ)
    Please Vote UKIP tomorrow - this is one of the few times where your vote actually makes a difference.

    Why?

    * EU elections are proportional representation
    * The longer the EU goes unopposed the more powerful it becomes and the more difficult it will become to hold it to account later
    * You can give the Tories a good embarassing thrashing by voting UKIP
    * Send a clear message that EU overreach has got to stop
    * Prove that the British public aren't sheep and can't be controlled by a media smear campaign - you're smarter than that!

    If UKIP isn't your style, the please vote for some other minority party. We have to let the big 3 know that things have got to change!
    So, basically, your only arguments for UKIP revolve around making the Conservatives look bad, backhanded compliments towards the public (if you don't vote for us you must be an idiotic sheep), and problems with the EU which could be solved without leaving it.

    UKIP isn't a political party; it's a glorified pressure group.
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    (Original post by Red one)
    Who are you voting for?
    It's boring but I will probably go with Labour; I think how much the Tories are pandering to the Euroskeptics by talking about a referendum, in fact harms British trade with the rest of the world.
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    Agreed. I don't really care who you vote for, but low teenage voting has got to be one of the main reasons for **** like tuition fees- politicians think we don't care and so won't vote against them nobody how much crap they throw at us.
    That, and the fact that a lot of students seem to be content to live in poverty for 3 years on some weird assumption that a £30,000 loan won't affect them when they get some miracle job after graduating.
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    The Greens are the party that could do something good if they had more support.

    The Lib Dems might have been good had they not chosen such horrendous leadership.
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    all this ukip hate pathetic really
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    Great post OP.

    If I could vote (not 18 til next month) I'd vote Lib Dem or Greens.
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    UKIP would be a waste of a vote, Im just going hard and voting BNP. I think we need to support the smaller minority parties, thats what UK is about..
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    (Original post by College_Dropout)
    UKIP would be a waste of a vote, Im just going hard and voting BNP. I think we need to support the smaller minority parties, thats what UK is about..

    Your username suits your politics :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by MangoFreak)
    So, basically, your only arguments for UKIP revolve around making the Conservatives look bad, backhanded compliments towards the public (if you don't vote for us you must be an idiotic sheep), and problems with the EU which could be solved without leaving it.

    UKIP isn't a political party; it's a glorified pressure group.
    That's rich coming from a LibDem.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    Your username suits your politics :rolleyes:
    Was the sarcasm too light?
 
 
 
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