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So I came on this forum and immediately I tried to alert people of the true issues which the working class face in this country. Whether it was wealth repression, class war, disability welfare claimant scapegoat or career politicians. I tired to wake people up to the true things which are happening on the streets of Britain.

Most people completely didn't listen and it is evident because of the reaction of TSR vs UKIP & Labour gains.

Most people who interact with me on here will know I am a some what a left-wing Libertarian. The only true opposition I have really fought on here is UKIP when I provided a huge list not to vote for them. The reason why I did this is because I know they are going to get some MPs into the house of parliament.

The intelligent people here know that voting UKIP can open a back door to ED Millband of Labour being PM.

For pro-Labour supporters this is what I advocate:

If your ward has virtually no chance of becoming a Labour victory then do a turncoat and help UKIP out.

The reason I say this is because this country could do a lot better with a UKIP/Labour coalition.

Might sound insane but at the moment we have that idiot Ed Millband in the leadership and a bunch of dinosaurs on the front bench who he is protecting. The lot of them need to go. Since they are hear to stay the only thing we can do is help UKIP put pressure onto them or we are going to have the possibility of a even more severe Conservative government.

The whole reason why Labour has lost votes to UKIP is due to not allowing the people a voice. Labour is behaving like a Communist country.

And what is the result of not listening to the people?

DEFEAT!

Labour has been lucky so far. The Conservatives have been so unpopular that they are making Labour look good but this won't last forever.
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I may vote for labour if they gave an EU referendum, replaced Millipede, Balls, and Harriet Harman with people that are less pathetic, and also convinced me they'd never turn back to their Brown/Blair ways.

Maybe a UKIP-Labour coalition would do just that.
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I don't trust the main parties to do this, but I trust Labour less.
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I think a coalition would suit Farage very nicely, outside of the anti EU stuff he doesn't really have any policies, if he entered a coalition then he could force a referendum whilst letting the other party effectively run the country.
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The EU is a side issue to me so it would not affect my vote.

Proposing a Ukip-Labour coalition is highly amusing, the core of Ukip is Thatcherite. It would simply confirm to me just how unprincipled Labour really are these days.
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Your a left-wing Libertarian and your telling people to vote UKIP? :confused:
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The only way I would let a "promise" to do an EU referendum impact my vote would be if it was to be held immediately upon being elected to Government (i.e. within 2 months). This is because when a Government is so young, turning around and backtracking would inevitably lead to a VONC. Allowing any more time than that and they could probably survive it, so I wouldn't trust them.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
The EU is a side issue to me so it would not affect my vote.

Proposing a Ukip-Labour coalition is highly amusing, the core of Ukip is Thatcherite. It would simply confirm to me just how unprincipled Labour really are these days.
The problem being? :rolleyes:
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I may vote for labour if they gave an EU referendum, replaced Millipede, Balls, and Theresa May with people that are less pathetic, and also convinced me they'd never turn back to their Brown/Blair ways.

Maybe a UKIP-Labour coalition would do just that.
Theresa May is conservative?
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(Original post by No Man)
I may vote for labour if they gave an EU referendum, replaced Millipede, Balls, and Theresa May with people that are less pathetic, and also convinced me they'd never turn back to their Brown/Blair ways.

Maybe a UKIP-Labour coalition would do just that.
You idiot. Theresa May is part of the Conservative party and is in David Cameron's cabinet As the Home Secretary. Who the hell are you thinking of?
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I'll probably be voting Labour next year but if they made a referendum pledge I'd consider voting Lib Dem instead.
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Poll is a little vague. In the general elections, I'll be voting Tory, so I clicked "no" because I wouldn't vote for labour, regardless
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(Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
Your a left-wing Libertarian and your telling people to vote UKIP? :confused:
Learn about tactical voting. Then your get the idea.
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(Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
Your a left-wing Libertarian and your telling people to vote UKIP? :confused:
He's a fuzzy libertarian national socialist i think. Weird, but he is a lefty.

(Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
The problem being? :rolleyes:
The self respect of the electorate. I don't know about you but i could not bring myself to vote for a Tory Party proposing to go into coalition with Labour, That's pretty much what you'd be doing except Ukip contain the Tory cast offs.
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I vaguely remember a QT saying that immigration was like tenth in people's priorities when questioned, after e.g NHS, wages, economy, education, Syria. Bizarre to see such a change.

I'd vote Labour anyway (hardly surprising) but a UKIP-Lab is impossible, I think the ex-Lab UKIPpers will flock back at UKIPs lack of other policies. I think Labour should stay as they are, I personally wouldn't want to see a referendum anyway.

I think a UKIP-Lab coalition would surely see votes for both parties shrivel and die. Although a UKIP-Con pact I can foresee
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(Original post by illegaltobepoor)
Learn about tactical voting. Then your get the idea.
I get the idea, its stupid. Lets vote against all my principles as a left liber to vote for something worse than voting for the tory boys. Voting UKIP in no way aids anybody who self describes as somewhat leftwing.
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(Original post by illegaltobepoor)
So I came on this forum and immediately I tried to alert people of the true issues which the working class face in this country. Whether it was wealth repression, class war, disability welfare claimant scapegoat or career politicians. I tired to wake people up to the true things which are happening on the streets of Britain.

Most people completely didn't listen and it is evident because of the reaction of TSR vs UKIP & Labour gains.

Most people who interact with me on here will know I am a some what a left-wing Libertarian. The only true opposition I have really fought on here is UKIP when I provided a huge list not to vote for them. The reason why I did this is because I know they are going to get some MPs into the house of parliament.

The intelligent people here know that voting UKIP can open a back door to ED Millband of Labour being PM.

For pro-Labour supporters this is what I advocate:

If your ward has virtually no chance of becoming a Labour victory then do a turncoat and help UKIP out.

The reason I say this is because this country could do a lot better with a UKIP/Labour coalition.

Might sound insane but at the moment we have that idiot Ed Millband in the leadership and a bunch of dinosaurs on the front bench who he is protecting. The lot of them need to go. Since they are hear to stay the only thing we can do is help UKIP put pressure onto them or we are going to have the possibility of a even more severe Conservative government.

The whole reason why Labour has lost votes to UKIP is due to not allowing the people a voice. Labour is behaving like a Communist country.

And what is the result of not listening to the people?

DEFEAT!

Labour has been lucky so far. The Conservatives have been so unpopular that they are making Labour look good but this won't last forever.
hahah Labour are do awfully and are doing the Tories a favour! Not the other way round. Their lead is now barely 1%, which is frankly terrible considering we are still in the mid-term cycle, back in 2010 Labour would have agreed that to stand any chance of winning the GE in 2015 they would need to be polling 8%+ at least.
The reason why Labour is losing votes is not because of Europe, but because the economy is growing, employment is up and wages are beginning to increase faster than the cost of living.

Your right about your UKIP/Lab coalition sounding insane, and it is absolutely insane. UKIP is a right of centre point with a totally different stance on the economy, welfare, defense and Europe. It would be a struggle to find 2 parties which oppose each other more, hence your theory about the partnership is madness (why don't you and the other 'intelligent people' suggest a coalition with the Lib Dems instead? At least many LD party members are actually more ideologically aligned and they will will win more seats than UKIP because of FPTP).

Lastly, I am getting annoyed that every time a party doesn't buckle to the populist demands of the country people accuse them of being undemocratic. We live in a representative democracy, so the government are not meant to directly follow public opinion, we elect them every 5 years and then once in power they do whatever they want until the electorate get another chance. That is how the democratic process in this country and every other country post Ancient Athens works.
10 years ago most people wanted to stay in Europe, now most want to leave, in another 10 years who knows, does that mean the the government should try and flip in and out as per the whim of the public? No, that's ludicrous.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
The self respect of the electorate. I don't know about you but i could not bring myself to vote for a Tory Party proposing to go into coalition with Labour, That's pretty much what you'd be doing except Ukip contain the Tory cast offs.
It was a joke at the expense of New labour. I was calling them Thatcherites.
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(Original post by That Bearded Man)
I vaguely remember a QT saying that immigration was like tenth in people's priorities when questioned, after e.g NHS, wages, economy, education, Syria. Bizarre to see such a change.

I'd vote Labour anyway (hardly surprising) but a UKIP-Lab is impossible, I think the ex-Lab UKIPpers will flock back at UKIPs lack of other policies. I think Labour should stay as they are, I personally wouldn't want to see a referendum anyway.

I think a UKIP-Lab coalition would surely see votes for both parties shrivel and die. Although a UKIP-Con pact I can foresee
I think its still a question of what other options do people have. To summarise my hometown:
Labour: Won't vote them anymore due to a lack of trust and years of neglect.
Tory: Nobody votes tory here for good reasons.
Kippers: New kid on the block who hasn't been corrupted publicly yet and offers a popular choice on immigration/Europe whilst hiding all other policies.
Greens: Environmentalism is hardly a first choice for the common man in an urban city.

(Original post by Rakas21)
He's a fuzzy libertarian national socialist i think. Weird, but he is a lefty.
Ah now that might explain a few things- like why he is pushing the kippers.
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You idiot. Theresa May is part of the Conservative party and is in David Cameron's cabinet As the Home Secretary. Who the hell are you thinking of?
Harriet Harman. I always get her name mixed up with Therisa May for some reason.
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