Masculine indoctrination

I've recently seen a lot of guides and articles of how to be a man, how boys need more MALE role models and how men don't know their place in society, as if their feeble minds just can't the reality of not being entitled to a superior role as a birth right. Some say Lad culture is fighting against how men have become more feminised and championing reconstructed cavemen behaviour. It seems to me a lot of these attempts to bring back traditional gender roles stem out fear of the growing power of women.

All these books, gender notions and cultures championing a narrow idea of how to be male is complete indoctrination because the alternative of acting outside of those confines isn't even given as an option, it's only shamed. If you need a book to tell you how behave like your gender, that signals a deep insecurity. The hysteria of men "losing their role" in society suggests they are entitled to a role, sorry but you're not, especially not at the expense of others. The desperate desire to want to conform to a strict set of gender norms so badly is quite saddening.

The idea of role models based on gender is also troubling, boys and girls can find things aspirational and look up to traits in any gender.

The idea that masculinity is inseparable from disrespecting women, having muscles, being dominant and alpha, grossly insensitive humour and huge amounts of sex as defined by todays lad culture for many impressionable young men in the uk, is not healthy. No one owes you a role in society because of your gender, and if you feel emasculated because of women having more power and men acting differently then perhaps the foundation you built your identity on wasn't ever that strong. We need teach men things like this:
http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/male-allies/educating-boys-men/
http://www.mencanstoprape.org/
http://www.policymic.com/articles/85757/7-damaging-lies-we-teach-boys-about-how-to-become-a-real-man
http://www.menstoppingviolence.org/

And condemn things like the LADbible.

I've recently seen a lot of guides and articles of how to be a man, how boys need more MALE role models and how men don't know their place in society, as if their feeble minds just can't the reality of not being entitled to a superior role as a birth right. Some say Lad culture is fighting against how men have become more feminised and championing reconstructed cavemen behaviour. It seems to me a lot of these attempts to bring back traditional gender roles stem out fear of the growing power of women.

All these books, gender notions and cultures championing a narrow idea of how to be male is complete indoctrination because the alternative of acting outside of those confines isn't even given as an option, it's only shamed. If you need a book to tell you how behave like your gender, that signals a deep insecurity. The hysteria of men "losing their role" in society suggests they are entitled to a role, sorry but you're not, especially not at the expense of others. The desperate desire to want to conform to a strict set of gender norms so badly is quite saddening.

The idea of role models based on gender is also troubling, boys and girls can find things aspirational and look up to traits in any gender.

The idea that masculinity is inseparable from disrespecting women, having muscles, being dominant and alpha, grossly insensitive humour and huge amounts of sex as defined by todays lad culture for many impressionable young men in the uk, is not healthy. No one owes you a role in society because of your gender, and if you feel emasculated because of women having more power and men acting differently then perhaps the foundation you built your identity on wasn't ever that strong. We need teach men things like this:
http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/male-allies/educating-boys-men/
http://www.mencanstoprape.org/
http://www.policymic.com/articles/85757/7-damaging-lies-we-teach-boys-about-how-to-become-a-real-man
http://www.menstoppingviolence.org/

And condemn things like the LADbible.

Who ****ed in your Cheerios?

Who ****ed in your Cheerios? I'm also struggling to see the point in which you want to put across, other than tell everyone how much women are on the rise,how men are powerless to all of it, and generally disrespect. I agree, the young male generation is under a lot of stress and pressure to find out what their role in society is, that doesn't mean they don't deserve one.

Young males (to protect their pride) won't talk to their friends about their problems, and no one has the capability to sort it out themselves, There's no point in trying to change male nature, you just have to look at alternatives, substitutions, ways around it.

Masculinity =/= being a lad

There is nothing wrong with having muscles.

You basically want to feminise men and if we don't like this you think it's because we are scared of women having power

I am pretty sure that the majority of men do not condone of rape, not that you'd ever listen by the tone of your post though.

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I think someone's misandry has went up a few notches in the past day.

You were torn to pieces and textually bitch-slapped several times in the Social Experiment thread, and now you start this nonsense?

this is why nobody takes you seriously, tsr.

Who ****ed in your Cheerios? I'm also struggling to see the point in which you want to put across, other than tell everyone how much women are on the rise,how men are powerless to all of it, and generally disrespect. I agree, the young male generation is under a lot of stress and pressure to find out what their role in society is, that doesn't mean they don't deserve one. Tyger Drew Honey has an excellent programme on BBC about the stress young men are under. Young males (to protect their pride) won't talk to their friends about their problems, and no one has the capability to sort it out themselves, therefore, these guides you talk about, could make a male more confident. But the general stereotype of a male to be burly is untrue in almost every case, but young men aspire to be like that even though it doesn't exist. I personally agree that the sudden want of big muscles, lots of sex, girls, is not healthy, but you're not doing yourself any favours saying it in that manner. Females have the same issue, you're forever hearing about how girls are under so much stress and pressure to look good, well it's exactly the same for guys. But guys are too scared to admit it. Therefore they need help in other forms.

It's not like there's never been a female who's not known their place in society, I would have thought you'd have been a bit more understanding. There's no point in trying to change male nature, you just have to look at alternatives, substitutions, ways around it.




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I agree with what you're saying generally but surely that would mean agreeing with the OP in reducing the amount of "typically male" role models into something more normal that young men actually associate themselves with; like a role model that actually allows men to express their problems to their friends, feel less pressured into having sex, not having to live up to an expectation of 'being a man' etc.
Maybe I've misinterpreted both posts (i have only read them quickly), but I feel like you both actually feel very similarly.

You clearly don't understand my point given I think they don't need a role.


Strict gender roles aren't nature, if they were there wouldn't so much hysteria about finding one.

I agree with what you're saying generally but surely that would mean agreeing with the OP in reducing the amount of "typically male" role models into something more normal that young men actually associate themselves with; like a role model that actually allows men to express their problems to their friends, feel less pressured into having sex, not having to live up to an expectation of 'being a man' etc.
Maybe I've misinterpreted both posts (i have only read them quickly), but I feel like you both actually feel very similarly.

I stated I didn't understand your point.

Everyone needs a role in society haha

I never stated gender roles.

And I stated that was clear, anything else you need to pointlessly recap sweetie?



Haha no they don't, you're not entitled to a role from birth. You are an individual and should make your choice not based on a predetermined role but based on yourself.


You said: I agree, the young male generation is under a lot of stress and pressure to find out what their role in society is, that doesn't mean they don't deserve one.
You're not entitled to a role in society because you're a male. Deal with it.