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A family member used to go to one, so I went there to pick them up. I'm sorry generalise but all the kids fit into one of these categories

1) the snobby side of posh

2) socially awkward/disabled (not their fault but ppl are prejudiced)

3)weirdly over obsessed with school

4) really shy and elusive (you feel like they are physcopaths)
There are people like that at nearly every school. I went to a private school nobody was 1) and a few people were in 2)3) and 4) and I'm not any of those. I love social activities and handing out with both males and females and most of my friends from there are the same or close to that
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Well I think people get confused with rich people that go to private school and people who can just about afford it that send their kids to private school. I go to a public girls school and I learned that if I went to a private school still, I wouldn't be able to apply to summer schools or opportunities that can help you learn more about uni courses. Even now I can't really get places into those thing because I'm too "well off" I like that unis are trying to include everyone and i know that is hard for things to be done without nobody complaining but putting all private school children into one spot and generalising isn't fair. Its easy for those who have connections, not what school they went to
I think if you can "just about send your kids to private school" you're pretty well off.

Universities do discriminate slightly against private schools, but not by much and it certainly isn't enough to bring about a level playing field. Ultimately universities will accept private schools and i wouldn't be surprised if a private school recognised the disadvantaged and adequately prepped their students.

I think it's a good thing that universities discriminate. The number of people going uni is rising and this is necessary. It shows everyone has an equal opportunity to get somewhere in life. In the grand scheme of things a private school kid will generally go to a uni to the best of their ability and they won't get rejected due to the fact that they went private school.
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I think if you can "just about send your kids to private school" you're pretty well off.

Universities do discriminate slightly against private schools, but not by much and it certainly isn't enough to bring about a level playing field. Ultimately universities will accept private schools and i wouldn't be surprised if a private school recognised the disadvantaged and adequately prepped their students.

I think it's a good thing that universities discriminate. The number of people going uni is rising and this is necessary. It shows everyone has an equal opportunity to get somewhere in life. In the grand scheme of things a private school kid will generally go to a uni to the best of their ability and they won't get rejected due to the fact that they went private school.
One of my good friends actually got a bursary as she is not well off at all. Me and her come from the same area, my dad just has a good job so I can afford to go but it was a burden on my family because it was about 15k a year, don't ignore that fact. I do agree that in some cases private school children have advantage but only if they are very wealthy. My dad was telling me about his friend that wanted to send his done to eton, veryyyyy expensive school, and he and his wife could JUST about pay for it but that meant no outside food, no new things more that a few times and year and their done can't go out with his friends at eton because he can't afford it. Yes he has an advantage later on maybe but you can't deny that it's isn't extremely hard for many people that go to those schools. That's why I don't agree with private schools
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Also a fact you may not know is that: I was in class in year 11 (private school days) and my teacher was saying how we have to work extra hard from now on because we would soon be disadvantaged, she said that now due to universities efforts to be more "fair" a person from a private school who got 4 As wouldn't get in if there was a person who was from a public school who got the same thing. Fair or no? Of course me and my friends were saying things like "it's not our fault we go to a private school" and "we work hard for these grades, we take the same exams" but our teacher said that this would be happening and I've seen it first hand
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One of my good friends actually got a bursary as she is not well off at all. Me and her come from the same area, my dad just has a good job so I can afford to go but it was a burden on my family because it was about 15k a year, don't ignore that fact. I do agree that in some cases private school children have advantage but only if they are very wealthy. My dad was telling me about his friend that wanted to send his done to eton, veryyyyy expensive school, and he and his wife could JUST about pay for it but that meant no outside food, no new things more that a few times and year and their done can't go out with his friends at eton because he can't afford it. Yes he has an advantage later on maybe but you can't deny that it's isn't extremely hard for many people that go to those schools. That's why I don't agree with private schools
I don't have a problem with sending someone to private school. Ironically when the decision comes, i may do it myself. Let's face it the bursary and the scholarship thing is to get rid of the stigma that private schools are elitist and to boost their place in the league table. It's ultimately an independent decision but in general the vast majority do pay full or at least most of the fees.
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Why would I joke? Looking at it from a value for money perspective, if I paid for private school fees and my child didn't get into Oxbridge or at least one of the Top 5 I would be mightily annoyed and disappointed
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Tbh it is true. There's no point unless you get into a top 5
You realise not everyone pays a bomb for private school? And there's more to education than going to a top 5?
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(Original post by xJARSx)
A family member used to go to one, so I went there to pick them up. I'm sorry generalise but all the kids fit into one of these categories

1) the snobby side of posh

2) socially awkward/disabled (not their fault but ppl are prejudiced)

3)weirdly over obsessed with school

4) really shy and elusive (you feel like they are physcopaths)
I have never been privately educated and have rejected bursaries from private boarding schools, but when visiting these schools for consideration (before deciding to remain in the comprehensive system with people I knew) I certainly came across as people who were snobby. However, coming from a middle class area, the slight snobbishness of publicly educated children, is nothing in comparison to that of well off, comprehensively educated children, who compete in illustrating their slightly above average wealth. As for the the category of socially awkward kids, this is frankly ridiculous! Public schools produce children who are forced to network in order to be part of social groups and have people to socialise with, which certainly strays from your perception. Though it must be said that my views could only really apply to boarding school, I would say that on the most part, boarding schools are certainly the best option for schooling available in the UK, other than perhaps being home-schooled by a very intelligent parent/tutor. Overall, in response to the general topic of this thread, my opinion on the origin of the negative perception of publicly educated children, is that it stems from jealousy, due to the better career prospects faced by well networked people. Furthermore, the idea that these children can work less hard for an A* is likely true, because public schools can afford to hire better teachers, who are predictably happier to teach in such environments.
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You realise not everyone pays a bomb for private school? And there's more to education than going to a top 5?
Doesn't change the fact that they have a significantly better quality of education and learning environment.

Perhaps, but if i paid for my education and didn't get to a top 5 or at least a top russel group i'd be pretty bummed.
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Doesn't change the fact that they have a significantly better quality of education and learning environment.
So what do you suggest is done about that? Make every school of the same quality as the average state school? Or improve the quality of state schools?
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Perhaps, but if i paid for my education and didn't get to a top 5 or at least a top russel group i'd be pretty bummed.
Then that is a choice/expectation you can put on yourself
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Doesn't change the fact that they have a significantly better quality of education and learning environment.

Perhaps, but if i paid for my education and didn't get to a top 5 or at least a top russel group i'd be pretty bummed.
Why though? Some kids go to private schools because they are behind/have a bad attitude so, even though they won't get to a russell group or maybe not even go to uni, they will still do much better than if they went to a public school.
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Everyone should have access to the same good education so that people's abilities can really be tested
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There were some girls in my school that got horrible grades because they were not working hard and they got kicked out so, most of it comes down to you working hard or not
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I have never been privately educated and have rejected bursaries from private boarding schools, but when visiting these schools for consideration (before deciding to remain in the comprehensive system with people I knew) I certainly came across as people who were snobby. However, coming from a middle class area, the slight snobbishness of publicly educated children, is nothing in comparison to that of well off, comprehensively educated children, who compete in illustrating their slightly above average wealth. As for the the category of socially awkward kids, this is frankly ridiculous! Public schools produce children who are forced to network in order to be part of social groups and have people to socialise with, which certainly strays from your perception. Though it must be said that my views could only really apply to boarding school, I would say that on the most part, boarding schools are certainly the best option for schooling available in the UK, other than perhaps being home-schooled by a very intelligent parent/tutor. Overall, in response to the general topic of this thread, my opinion on the origin of the negative perception of publicly educated children, is that it stems from jealousy, due to the better career prospects faced by well networked people. Furthermore, the idea that these children can work less hard for an A* is likely true, because public schools can afford to hire better teachers, who are predictably happier to teach in such environments.

Home schooling? You're joking. Everyone I know that was home schooled I totally socially awkward. As they have no friends. I live in like the most middle class place in England (Surrey) lol, and yes there is the problem with people showing off, but I just find that people at private schools tend to be a bit weird.

I'm not jealous of them at all, I've recently been offered a place somewhere that gets me sponsorship to a uni degree and a career, so I'm very happy with the situation I'm in, I just had yo work hard for it.
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Doesn't change the fact that they have a significantly better quality of education and learning environment.

Perhaps, but if i paid for my education and didn't get to a top 5 or at least a top russel group i'd be pretty bummed.
As I said before, just because they are a private school doesn't mean they can polish a turd. At best they can roll it in glitter.
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Also a fact you may not know is that: I was in class in year 11 (private school days) and my teacher was saying how we have to work extra hard from now on because we would soon be disadvantaged, she said that now due to universities efforts to be more "fair" a person from a private school who got 4 As wouldn't get in if there was a person who was from a public school who got the same thing. Fair or no? Of course me and my friends were saying things like "it's not our fault we go to a private school" and "we work hard for these grades, we take the same exams" but our teacher said that this would be happening and I've seen it first hand
I think it's because a person believes a person who goes to a good private school will have good teaching and therefore should obtain good results. I would prefer taking a person who got 7A*s and 4As and was considered one of the best grades from a bad school than a person who got 8A*s and 3As from a really good private school but was considered average compared to others in the same school.
I do understand that private school kids definitely do go through a lot of pressure and work in order to get the grades, however (this is my opinion lol) I'd say a student who has been able to get mostly A*s and rest As from a bad secondary school (which generally has bad teaching. I go to one and the teaching is terrible such as teachers not knowing the spec or not having a teacher for the past few years) would be seen as a person who would be able to do so much more and has more potential if they have that push by good teaching etc. But honestly in the future, if I have kids, I will try my best to get them into a private school (so I am being a bit hypocritical haha)


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So what do you suggest is done about that? Make every school of the same quality as the average state school? Or improve the quality of state schools?
The government can't improve the standards of a school at all, they're just not funded to the level where they can get state schools up to standards. So I think instead of how much money a student's parents have being a discriminatory factor in whether or not they can receive a high standard of education it should purely be down to academic ability - which a selective school provides.

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Then that is a choice/expectation you can put on yourself
I think a private school kid who doesn't go to a top uni can be judged for that.



They were unable to capitalise on the significant advantage they got with a private school. That's their fault but you'll have to admit that they can't exactly be happy with themselves.







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Why though? Some kids go to private schools because they are behind/have a bad attitude so, even though they won't get to a russell group or maybe not even go to uni, they will still do much better than if they went to a public school.
They were unable to capitalise on the significant advantage they got with a private school. That's their fault but you'll have to admit that they can't exactly be happy with themselves.


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even though they won't get to a russell group or maybe not even go to uni, they will still do much better than if they went to a public school.
Exactly. An idiot who goes to a private school still has an advantage over an idiot in a state school.
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People tend to hate private schools due to the stereotypes attached to them. Unfortunately, these stereotypes do exist although they are not always satisfied.
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i'm at private school ama :P
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As I said before, just because they are a private school doesn't mean they can polish a turd. At best they can roll it in glitter.
Doesn't change the fact that they have a significantly better quality of education and learning environment.
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The government can't improve the standards of a school at all, they're just not funded to the level where they can get state schools up to standards. So I think instead of how much money a student's parents have being a discriminatory factor in whether or not they can receive a high standard of education it should purely be down to academic ability - which a selective school provides.



I think a private school kid who doesn't go to a top uni can be judged for that.



They were unable to capitalise on the significant advantage they got with a private school. That's their fault but you'll have to admit that they can't exactly be happy with themselves.
What? You do realise some people are actually not capable of going to a top uni, no matter if they get private education right?
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