Feminism, LOL
One of the most poisonous feminist fabrications over the past thirty years concerns our recent History. For example, for almost two whole generations now, our children have been fed the deceitful propaganda that marriage is a mechanism whereby men have oppressed women and, somehow, forced them to remain in the home, while they themselves ventured outside into the liberating world of work - presumably for fun, frolics, fulfilment and independence.
The deceit herein is that, in reality, the world of work has been, for the most part, an extremely unpleasant world in which to live - until quite recently.
The majority of men in recent History were working in terrible conditions - down filthy, dangerous mines - in the hot, unwholesome, poisonous construction industries of ship and house building, and in arduous heavy engineering projects such as building roads and bridges - in tedious, sweaty factories, labouring for 16 hours non-stop, day after day - in the military, sent away from home, sometimes for years, to the most inhospitable and hostile of conditions and climates, to face disease, damage, death, and war - in agriculture, where men toiled and tilled without the advanced machinery of today - and even in the new offices, where rows upon rows of clerks spent their hours laboriously copying out, by hand, the mountains of information that needed to be documented.
In the world of work, men were being 'oppressed' far more so than were their women at home. They were at the beck and call of their bosses, and were given little in the way of rights, safety, security or decent pay.
For the most part, therefore, the jobs of the past were mostly soul destroying, if not downright dangerous and debilitating, and it is men who did most of them in order to provide for their women and children.
The world of work was not a pleasant place to be. And it was not somewhere where most women, then, or nowadays, would choose to have been.
When feminists give the impression to our younger folk that working for a living in the recent past was invigorating, cathartic or therapeutic in some way, they are lying.
In more recent times, technological advancements have removed much of the worst aspects of 'work', and, further, other huge industries requiring less odious forms of work have sprung up; e.g. media, computer, financial.
And it is in these far more benign circumstances that today's women are continually indoctrinated with the view that some glorious world of 'work' was somehow denied to them in the past.
The truth is that they were not denied it.
They were saved from it.
The deceit herein is that, in reality, the world of work has been, for the most part, an extremely unpleasant world in which to live - until quite recently.
The majority of men in recent History were working in terrible conditions - down filthy, dangerous mines - in the hot, unwholesome, poisonous construction industries of ship and house building, and in arduous heavy engineering projects such as building roads and bridges - in tedious, sweaty factories, labouring for 16 hours non-stop, day after day - in the military, sent away from home, sometimes for years, to the most inhospitable and hostile of conditions and climates, to face disease, damage, death, and war - in agriculture, where men toiled and tilled without the advanced machinery of today - and even in the new offices, where rows upon rows of clerks spent their hours laboriously copying out, by hand, the mountains of information that needed to be documented.
In the world of work, men were being 'oppressed' far more so than were their women at home. They were at the beck and call of their bosses, and were given little in the way of rights, safety, security or decent pay.
For the most part, therefore, the jobs of the past were mostly soul destroying, if not downright dangerous and debilitating, and it is men who did most of them in order to provide for their women and children.
The world of work was not a pleasant place to be. And it was not somewhere where most women, then, or nowadays, would choose to have been.
When feminists give the impression to our younger folk that working for a living in the recent past was invigorating, cathartic or therapeutic in some way, they are lying.
In more recent times, technological advancements have removed much of the worst aspects of 'work', and, further, other huge industries requiring less odious forms of work have sprung up; e.g. media, computer, financial.
And it is in these far more benign circumstances that today's women are continually indoctrinated with the view that some glorious world of 'work' was somehow denied to them in the past.
The truth is that they were not denied it.
They were saved from it.
Go look into the factory girls in 19th century America.
OP you are somehow blaming the entire female gender for class oppression and wage slavery
All your gripes are predominantly down to the segregation of society due to class, not gender. Working class women were not living a life of luxury.
OP you are somehow blaming the entire female gender for class oppression and wage slavery
All your gripes are predominantly down to the segregation of society due to class, not gender. Working class women were not living a life of luxury.
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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Go look into the factory girls in 19th century America.
OP you are somehow blaming the entire female gender for class oppression and wage slavery
All your gripes are predominantly down to the segregation of society due to class, not gender. Working class women were not living a life of luxury.
OP you are somehow blaming the entire female gender for class oppression and wage slavery
All your gripes are predominantly down to the segregation of society due to class, not gender. Working class women were not living a life of luxury.
How does this prove they were oppressed?
Original post by Messalina
I don't even... what does this drivel even really have to do with feminism? Your history teacher needs to find a new job pal, that's shocking. Hoping you're just a troll, otherwise you're in the running for a darwin award sooner or later
Because feminists would claim that women were kept out of the workplace due to patriarchy.
Or are you saying they wouldn't claim such?
Original post by Dark Horse
Because feminists would claim that women were kept out of the workplace due to patriarchy.
Or are you saying they wouldn't claim such?
Or are you saying they wouldn't claim such?
Do you have any evidence that feminists claim that? Or are you just generalizing hugely?
As a feminist, I would say that in regards to working it was much more of a class issue rather than a gender issue. Poor men and women would work, it was only people who were very wealthy who had the option not to work (male or female).
Original post by Messalina
Do you have any evidence that feminists claim that? Or are you just generalizing hugely?
As a feminist, I would say that in regards to working it was much more of a class issue rather than a gender issue. Poor men and women would work, it was only people who were very wealthy who had the option not to work (male or female).
As a feminist, I would say that in regards to working it was much more of a class issue rather than a gender issue. Poor men and women would work, it was only people who were very wealthy who had the option not to work (male or female).
If this is the case then we can cross off another item on the popular list of gripes that feminists often complain about.
Original post by Dark Horse
If this is the case then we can cross off another item on the popular list of gripes that feminists often complain about.
Maybe a better start would be listening to the issues feminists are trying to counter, and actually respect their viewpoint rather than undermining them at every turn.
A wise man once started some epic threads on similar topics.
Were women ever actually 'oppressed' compared to men?
Is modern feminism the worst act of betrayal and ingratitude in history?
Fantastically insightful posts about the problems with feminism
Were women ever actually 'oppressed' compared to men?
Is modern feminism the worst act of betrayal and ingratitude in history?
Fantastically insightful posts about the problems with feminism
Original post by Messalina
Maybe a better start would be listening to the issues feminists are trying to counter, and actually respect their viewpoint rather than undermining them at every turn.
There are no issues for them to counter really.
Original post by 50lashes
6 lashes for this intellectual offence
That's hardly intellectual...
What about looking at it from the other view point?
How about in the upper classes? The women were the property of their husbands, passed from their fathers. Not allowed to own land property etc. We were stopped at every turn to try and progress into something.
And if some more radical women do hate men, which is not what its about, I don't see why they shouldn't. Especially when all they have to do is watch five minutes of TV ads to see how theyre objectifying women.
Or take pornography, that's also a big influencing factor.
I see that as more of a class issue, in victorian times poor women were completely reliant upon their families or husbands, if they got pregnant out of wedlock & disowned by family they would be forced into the work house and kept there for the rest of her life she was an immoral woman , their baby would be taken away from them as soon as it was born and adopted out. She would never see her child EVER again, women had no access to their own money if her husband was a drunk etc she would have to go to the charities & beg for food or money only the "deserving poor" got charity if she couldn't get it she would turn into a prostitute to provide money, women were also screwed if their husbands died as they had no access to employment apart from the cotton mills which were a disgusting and filthy occupation. I think both poor men and women had a **** time in the past, lets not turn this into a slanging match, only the wealthy had any sort of quality of life. Also I'd like to add marriage was a contract in which the wife was her husbands property, she wasn't allowed to own any property, keep her wages and her husband was allowed to have sex with her anytime he wished, if she wanted to divorce her children would be taken away from her, women were expected to have sex with only one man, their husband. However, it was acceptable for men to have multiple partners in their life.; husbands participated in lengthy affairs with other women while women stayed with their husbands on the grounds that divorce was not an option If women did have sexual contact with another man, they were seen as ruined or fallen.
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Seriously another feminism hater? Feminism is the same as gender equality. I keep saying this. I don't know what is wrong with that
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Original post by Dark Horse
There are no issues for them to counter really.
Well this is very one sided
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