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1 GK Joe Hart 19 May 1987 (aged 27) 41 England Manchester City
2 DF Glen Johnson 23 August 1984 (aged 29) 52 England Liverpool
3 DF Leighton Baines 11 December 1984 (aged 29) 24 England Everton
4 MF Steven Gerrard (c) 30 May 1980 (aged 34) 111 England Liverpool
5 DF Gary Cahill 19 December 1985 (aged 28) 24 England Chelsea
6 DF Phil Jagielka 17 August 1982 (aged 31) 26 England Everton
7 MF Jack Wilshere 1 January 1992 (aged 22) 18 England Arsenal
8 MF Frank Lampard 20 June 1978 (aged 35) 105 England Chelsea
9 FW Daniel Sturridge 1 September 1989 (aged 24) 12 England Liverpool
10 FW Wayne Rooney 24 October 1985 (aged 28) 92 England Manchester United
11 FW Danny Welbeck 26 November 1990 (aged 23) 24 England Manchester United
12 DF Chris Smalling 22 November 1989 (aged 24) 12 England Manchester United
13 GK Ben Foster 3 May 1983 (aged 31) 7 England West Bromwich Albion
14 MF Jordan Henderson 17 June 1990 (aged 23) 11 England Liverpool
15 MF Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain 15 August 1993 (aged 20) 15 England Arsenal
16 DF Phil Jones 21 February 1992 (aged 22) 10 England Manchester United
17 MF James Milner 4 January 1986 (aged 28) 47 England Manchester City
18 FW Rickie Lambert 16 February 1982 (aged 32) 6 England Southampton
19 MF Raheem Sterling 8 December 1994 (aged 19) 4 England Liverpool
20 MF Adam Lallana 10 May 1988 (aged 26) 6 England Southampton
21 MF Ross Barkley 5 December 1993 (aged 20) 6 England Everton
22 GK Fraser Forster 17 March 1988 (aged 26) 2 Scotland Celtic
23 DF Luke Shaw 12 July 1995 (aged 18) 2 England Southampton
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England are going to get wiped eventually after these group matches and everyone knows it
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Thanks for putting the squad in the OP. No doubt in a couple of years people will look at it and wonder how on earth some of those players went to the World Cup. Exactly who remains to be seen :P
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So, calling swift QF exit.
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So, calling swift QF exit.
I would be happy with that.


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This line-up would take us all the way:
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This line-up would take us all the way:
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Top 8 in the world is the limit for this team, and a ranking nobody here would turn their noses up at.


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I'm calling it now, on the first page of this thread;
England to get to the final of the 2014 World cup with Rooney and Sturridge tied for the golden boot, mock me now but wait and see, this will happen.
Seriously though, be positive people, Italy are on terrible form, Suarez won't be at his best if he plays at all and Costa Rica are really bad. The best team we could get in the round of 16 is Columbia so I really believe that we will at least get to the quarters. Admittedly the quarter final would almost definitely be against Spain or Brazil (or Holland if they top group) so that would be tough.
I reckon this is the year a European team in win it in South America, England win on penalties, the two favourites (holders and hosts) are both out before the semis and the year an Englishman scores a hattrick in the world cup final for just the second time ever.
(If none of this happens I can just edit the post, no one needs to know.)
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(Original post by Alex Doran)
I'm calling it now, on the first page of this thread;
England to get to the final of the 2014 World cup with Rooney and Sturridge tied for the golden boot, mock me now but wait and see, this will happen.
Seriously though, be positive people, Italy are on terrible form, Suarez won't be at his best if he plays at all and Costa Rica are really bad. The best team we could get in the round of 16 is Columbia so I really believe that we will at least get to the quarters. Admittedly the quarter final would almost definitely be against Spain or Brazil (or Holland if they top group) so that would be tough.
I reckon this is the year a European team in win it in South America, England win on penalties, the two favourites (holders and hosts) are both out before the semis and the year an Englishman scores a hattrick in the world cup final for just the second time ever.
(If none of this happens I can just edit the post, no one needs to know.)
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Good to see the Ox, should be back for the second game against Uruguay. I don't think I'm a pessimist but I think England will lose to Italy, a draw if we are lucky. The Uruguay game is where it will be decided, that or whoever slips up against Costa Rica.

The Arsenal winger was not wearing a brace on the knee as he again undertook running drills.
Read it on this article.

Danny Welbeck’s participation in England’s opening World Cup game against Italy has been left in considerable doubt after he limped out of the squad’s training session on Tuesday, with Raheem Sterling’s chances of starting in Manaus enhanced as a result.
But interestingly

Sterling was heavily involved in Tuesday’s session, employed for long periods in the central role of the trident just behind Sturridge, with Wayne Rooney, Adam Lallana and James Milner interchanging in the wider positions.
So perhaps Hodgson is considering playing him there, bit late on to be doing something you have no intention of trying.

The blackout attack could be a reality. Perhaps let Barkely have a few mins, he's got Nigerian pedigree.
Sturridge
Welbeck Sterling Ox
Get rid of Johnson and we a segregated team.
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Sturridge
Welbeck Sterling Ox
Get rid of Johnson and we a segregated team.
Loving that attack. Could upgrade on the Ox though. It's a shame Victor Moses decided to play for Nigeria.
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Good to see the Ox, should be back for the second game against Uruguay. I don't think I'm a pessimist but I think England will lose to Italy, a draw if we are lucky. The Uruguay game is where it will be decided, that or whoever slips up against Costa Rica.



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But interestingly



So perhaps Hodgson is considering playing him there, bit late on to be doing something you have no intention of trying.

The blackout attack could be a reality. Perhaps let Barkely have a few mins, he's got Nigerian pedigree.
Sturridge
Welbeck Sterling Ox
Get rid of Johnson and we a segregated team.
Sterling in the hole sounds good. He'll be better at pressing Pirlo than Rooney
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Does anyone else think the Lallana is not as good as the media are hyping him? They speak like he's some next Iniesta typed player who is a two footed genius....No doubt he's a decent player but people need to calm their tits when speaking about him lol

Anyway's for the WC I would play this team:

Formation: 4-2-3-1

GK - Joe Hart

RB - Johnson - I would have liked Walker
CB - G. Cahill
CB - Smalling / Jagielka - Smalling is actually a decent CB against average teams
LB - Baines

CDM - Gerrard
CDM - Wilshere / Jones - Depending on opposition

LM - Rooney
CAM - Barkley
RM - Sterling

CF - Sturidge
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Sterling in the hole sounds good. He'll be better at pressing Pirlo than Rooney
They better be watching tapes of Park Ji Sung, when he man marked Pirlo out of the game
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Literally zero chance of Sterling being the man to mark Pirlo after his brainless challenge on Valencia
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Why are people talking about Pirlo like he's some sort of super-human. Sure he's a great passer, but people are over-hyping the importance of 'marking him out of the game'.

We should be selecting our forwards on their offensive merit. We have some great attacking players capable of causing damage ourselves... just a bit of a shame that we haven't seen them all play at the same time in a suitable formation.

Screw 4-2-3-1, IT DOES NOT SUIT OUR PLAYERS (except Rooney). Why can nobody see this?
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Why are people talking about Pirlo like he's some sort of super-human. Sure he's a great passer, but people are over-hyping the importance of 'marking him out of the game'.

We should be selecting our forwards on their offensive merit. We have some great attacking players capable of causing damage ourselves... just a bit of a shame that we haven't seen them all play at the same time in a suitable formation.

Screw 4-2-3-1, IT DOES NOT SUIT OUR PLAYERS (except Rooney). Why can nobody see this?
Pirlo ain't super human, but we saw what happened last time when he wasn't marked out of the game. I don't think England are going to be stupid enough this time to not bother with that threat. His poor games usually coincide with Italy playing badly. Although they have Verratti now who can do Pirlo's job.

I wouldn't say great attacking players either. Englands attack also haven't gelled and I doubt it will have in time for that game. We aren't the greatest on the counter attack, our tactic in the last few games of qualification was pass to Townsend, we aren't the greatest in possession either and we've been relying on a lot of individual brilliance.

Rooney, Sturridge, Ox and Sterling come into that category, potentially Lallana but it's nothing amazing, Italy probably are similar attack wise with Balotelli, Immobile, Cerci and Cassano, bar Balotelli 3 of the 4 have had good seasons.
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Personally I don't think we should bother about Pirlo as much as we do, I think he is massively overrated. Last time (in 2012) the game was 0-0 and no-one mentioned Pirlo in the full time analysis but he scored the panenka penalty and everyone went mad. If England would have won on penalties then I don't think our obsession with Pirlo would have happened. He is a brilliant passer, I am not denying that but Gerrard isn't bad either. Also Italy have absolutely no width so there is only limited space he can pass into. We do not need to stop the supply as if it isn't Pirlo, it is someone else. We need to stop the receivers which should be easy enough given they are all down the middle. I do think we should attempt to close him down but being honest, he isn't going to decide the game. Italy have other players and England have some decent attackers to. He is good but he doesn't decide the result.
The good news is that defensively, England are very weak at the full backs (especially Johnson) and Italy never play out wide so Johnson and Baines can spend time bombing forwards which is when they are at their best. Gerrard and Henderson can work hard defending and spraying the ball out wide and I would play a third CM in Wilshere to keep a lid on where they are most dangerous (the middle.) If we play the diamond like Rodgers did, we basically have the same players with Gerrard at the base, Sterling at the tip and Henderson on one side. Wilshere is more than good enough to fill in for Allen compared to Liverpool so it will be a strong midfield.
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Personally I don't think we should bother about Pirlo as much as we do, I think he is massively overrated. Last time (in 2012) the game was 0-0 and no-one mentioned Pirlo in the full time analysis but he scored the panenka penalty and everyone went mad.
From 60mins onwards Pirlo was clearly MOTM. That's nonsense what you're putting here.

If England would have won on penalties then I don't think our obsession with Pirlo would have happened. He is a brilliant passer, I am not denying that but Gerrard isn't bad either. Also Italy have absolutely no width so there is only limited space he can pass into.
Italy do not always play 4-4-2 diamond, they play 4-3-3 and 3-5-2 which are formations that provide more width.

Gerrard's passing is inferior to Pirlo's, Gerrard is similar to Alonso passing wise. In terms of long range passing there is nobody better than those two, but Pirlo can dictate a game with short and long passing, Gerrard likes to move the ball as quickly as possible, Pirlo is capable of this but when he needs to shut a game down with slow short passing he can do that as well, he's like a hybrid of Alonso and Xavi, that's not to say he's better than them, but that is his game.

We do not need to stop the supply as if it isn't Pirlo, it is someone else. We need to stop the receivers which should be easy enough given they are all down the middle.
But they don't always play down the middle, they play other formations which can provide width. It's not so easy to stop receivers when your midfield duo is Henderson and Gerrard, considering the way Liverpool ship goals game after game, I think it's not really a good idea having to rely on those two stopping receivers.

I do think we should attempt to close him down but being honest, he isn't going to decide the game. Italy have other players and England have some decent attackers to. He is good but he doesn't decide the result.
The good news is that defensively, England are very weak at the full backs (especially Johnson) and Italy never play out wide so Johnson and Baines can spend time bombing forwards which is when they are at their best. Gerrard and Henderson can work hard defending and spraying the ball out wide and I would play a third CM in Wilshere to keep a lid on where they are most dangerous (the middle.) If we play the diamond like Rodgers did, we basically have the same players with Gerrard at the base, Sterling at the tip and Henderson on one side. Wilshere is more than good enough to fill in for Allen compared to Liverpool so it will be a strong midfield.
I'd play a 4-3-3 but I'd attempt to close Pirlo down, Either by getting the striker to drop deep, or by getting both wingers to tuck in, this then gives him no space to pass to.

There's the final option of pushing up and playing a 4-5-1.
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Why are people talking about Pirlo like he's some sort of super-human. Sure he's a great passer, but people are over-hyping the importance of 'marking him out of the game'.

We should be selecting our forwards on their offensive merit. We have some great attacking players capable of causing damage ourselves... just a bit of a shame that we haven't seen them all play at the same time in a suitable formation.

Screw 4-2-3-1, IT DOES NOT SUIT OUR PLAYERS (except Rooney). Why can nobody see this?
Pirlo was marked out in the final by Xavi and they won 4-0. It's no coincidence that when he's marked out his team usually gets beat easily.
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