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Original post by Per
They shouldn't, not while other more essential services like adult dental care is kept private. Why should adults with severe dental problems they can't afford to fix suffer while infertile people get thousands spent on conception? It makes absolutely no sense. If you're already alive and suffering you're left to rot but let's spend loads breeding infertile people. Got logic.


agree 100%
Original post by bertstare
did someone just admit they were wrong on TSR? has anyone alerted the press?


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Original post by Per
They shouldn't, not while other more essential services like adult dental care is kept private. Why should adults with severe dental problems they can't afford to fix suffer while infertile people get thousands spent on conception? It makes absolutely no sense. If you're already alive and suffering you're left to rot but let's spend loads breeding infertile people. Got logic.


Agree agree and agtee
Original post by Fireking
They have decided to pay for three rounds of IVF.

t's because the welfare state is designed to help women, therefore the NHS needs to prioritise health care for women above any other issues.

NHS spending on women far surpasses men although there is a huge discrepancy in mortality age.

National insurance is essentially a man tax.


You realise that men can have fertility problems too? And that if a man's partner has fertility problems it's in his interest to have free IVF to help him have a child?
I'm not infertile so I don't know how it feels personally, my cousin had ivf at the age of 25 they had been trying to conceive for 2 years,they couldnt afford the 5k per round ivf treatment, so they got it on the nhs she fell pregnant after 1 go, they make the perfect parents. She fell pregnant naturally 3 months after her first was born, which is really strange. I do think IVF should have an age limit though, my brothers gf is 34 and she said she doesnt want a baby until she's 40 they own their own nice home and she has a cushy job theres no guarantee she will get pregnant naturally and she hasnt had her eggs checked,so to then go on and have IVF because she wants to delay it as long as possible is silly as 3 rounds of ivf costs the nhs 15k!!!!
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Original post by ArtGoblin
You realise that men can have fertility problems too? And that if a man's partner has fertility problems it's in his interest to have free IVF to help him have a child?



No, it's just another attempt to enable feminism through socialism.

I am nto a career woman, I do not have problems having children. So whY Am I beign forced to pay for career women who didn;t have children early enough to have kids?

Not my problem!

This reminds me of the child care subsidy they introduced so that women didn;t become home makers like the good old days; it's Essentially a tax on men so women can fulfil feminist ideology.
Do people who use the NHS pay taxes?
Original post by Fireking
No, it's just another attempt to enable feminism through socialism.

I am nto a career woman, I do not have problems having children. So whY Am I beign forced to pay for career women who didn;t have children early enough to have kids?

Not my problem!

This reminds me of the child care subsidy they introduced so that women didn;t become home makers like the good old days; it's Essentially a tax on men so women can fulfil feminist ideology.


You're a man. Trolling is so 2007.
They shouldn't. The earth already has far too many humans on it as it is. It is irresponsible and a waste of money. If you are infertile & want kids, why not go for adoption, and save one of the millions of kids who don't have parents?
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Original post by Fireking
No, it's just another attempt to enable feminism through socialism.

I am nto a career woman, I do not have problems having children. So whY Am I beign forced to pay for career women who didn;t have children early enough to have kids?

Not my problem!

This reminds me of the child care subsidy they introduced so that women didn;t become home makers like the good old days; it's Essentially a tax on men so women can fulfil feminist ideology.


you seem to forget that there women tend to have husbands and children tend to have fathers. Childcare subsidies help men too as it brings more money into the household, and allows the wife to contribute financially, and paying for IVF helps the man in the relationship as much as the woman being treated (and as somebody else said, it may actually be him with the fertility problem).
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can't women pay for this themselves? I mean jesus christ, why am I needing to pay for such a ludacrous use of public money like this?
Original post by Green Marble
Because we need to sustain the white race.


I don't see the connection there.
Original post by Fireking
No, it's just another attempt to enable feminism through socialism.

I am nto a career woman, I do not have problems having children. So whY Am I beign forced to pay for career women who didn;t have children early enough to have kids?

Not my problem!

This reminds me of the child care subsidy they introduced so that women didn;t become home makers like the good old days; it's Essentially a tax on men so women can fulfil feminist ideology.
How do you know? How many have you had?
Original post by spanker
NHS = Emergency stuff only

Everything else should be private - that should solve the stupid money troubles...


You seem to think that restricting the NHS to emergency situations would save money, when in fact it would do the exact opposite. Taking preventive medicine off the NHS would cause many to have to fund it themselves. In many cases, this would mean that it simply would not occur. This would create thousands of completely avoidable medical emergencies, which the NHS would then have to deal with at astronomical expense, since in almost all cases, preventing a medical emergency months in advance is much cheaper than dealing with it when it happens.

TL;DR An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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Original post by lucaf
you seem to forget that there women tend to have husbands and children tend to have fathers. Childcare subsidies help men too as it brings more money into the household, and allows the wife to contribute financially, and paying for IVF helps the man in the relationship as much as the woman being treated (and as somebody else said, it may actually be him with the fertility problem).



Why dont the put ina system that helps traditional failies where the man works and the mum stays at home? This is the highest taxed group in the uk.
Original post by chickenonsteroids
Do you see any problem with this? :lol:

Actually no. If a person has a lifestyle disease then why should I pay for the treatment? Actually the loss of patients like them will ease pressure off NHS services.

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