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Alan Smithee
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Are there any black lecturers or specialists in the field of black history/culture/society at Oxbridge?

And I mean black but not relating to the beloved British empire...:rolleyes:
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Bump.

I want responses, I'm not letting this slide down the forum.
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It's not something that ever crossed my mind, as we were taught by people of many nationalities. However, I must admit that I don't recall being taught by any black lecturers. This might be linked to the fact that less black people go to university in the first place, as I am sure that Cambridge do not have a racist policy.

You may find these links helpful:
http://www.african.cam.ac.uk/
http://uk.geocities.com/blackhistorymonth2005/
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Is anyone else thinking 'gosh, just give it a rest Platocrates...'
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Why are you so keen on all this stuff just out of interest?
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im guessing that he is of jamaican origin or really likes jamaica by his flag though. could possibly explain it. and perhaps he is suggesting that black history is being taught with a "white bias" although i dont think many people would agree as they would say that the historians are aware of the necessity of unbias views.
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i think he's probably just curious, i am. its just an honest question
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(Original post by Tiddletale)
Is anyone else thinking 'gosh, just give it a rest Platocrates...'
Anyone thinking this, obviously has xenophobic/prejudicial tendencies. If you don't like it, DO NOT COME IN THE THREAD.

It really is as simple as that.

Thanks to those who acknowledge it as a valid question
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(Original post by CamSPSer)
Why are you so keen on all this stuff just out of interest?
Considering you're at Cambridge, this is a REALLY stupid question.
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(Original post by bob_54321)
im guessing that he is of jamaican origin or really likes jamaica by his flag though. could possibly explain it. and perhaps he is suggesting that black history is being taught with a "white bias" although i dont think many people would agree as they would say that the historians are aware of the necessity of unbias views.
No, I'm simply suggesting that whilst it is clear fact (to some people at least) that there are a wealth of Black scholars globally, why the hell are none/very few, lecturers/fellows/Profs etc at Oxbridge?

Does black history even feature on the history courses at Oxbridge? If not, why not? What makes Norse history any more important?
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Impressive, it took me along time to work out you were a troll
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It does get annoying when people start to claim that everyone is a racist/xenophobe.

R.E the black history thing, oxbridge do not I believe offer a pharmacy course, nor a dentistry course. Different universities offer different courses.

Does this mean that they are prejudiced against dentists and pharmacists?

I think not

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(Original post by Platocrates)
No, I'm simply suggesting that whilst it is clear fact (to some people at least) that there are a wealth of Black scholars globally, why the hell are none/very few, lecturers/fellows/Profs etc at Oxbridge?

Does black history even feature on the history courses at Oxbridge? If not, why not? What makes Norse history any more important?
Why are you picking on Cambridge in particular? You only have to look at the diverse faculty and the access initiatives for ethnic minority students to see how committed Cambridge is to correcting the imbalance. (And before you criticise the History course any further, why don't you look at the website: http://www.hist.cam.ac.uk/undergraduate/index.html)
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(Original post by Platocrates)
Anyone thinking this, obviously has xenophobic/prejudicial tendencies. If you don't like it, DO NOT COME IN THE THREAD.

It really is as simple as that.

Thanks to those who acknowledge it as a valid question
I'm not xenophobic, I just find it strange that you have recently made 2 threads about black people.
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Umm because he's BLACK!! God can we not ask questions about our history or heritage?

In my 6 months at Oxford I took two African history tutorials, both with white tutors. I saw one black academic in the office, but he was a visiting scholar from Nigeria.

My grandfather has a PhD in Math from Cambridge (1950!) but he has never taught in a UK university. You would think they would have snapped him up but they didn't, he had to go back to Nigeria.

If you want to go to university and see some top scholars of color teaching black history, I'd suggest Stanford, Harvard, or Princeton. You won't find it in the UK, mate.
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(Original post by sTe\/o)
Why are you picking on Cambridge in particular? You only have to look at the diverse faculty and the access initiatives for ethnic minority students to see how committed Cambridge is to correcting the imbalance. (And before you criticise the History course any further, why don't you look at the website: http://www.hist.cam.ac.uk/undergraduate/index.html)
Does somebody wanna get this guy some spectacles?
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I'm not xenophobic, I just find it strange that you have recently made 2 threads about black people.
I find it funny that you say this, do you say it to the numerous people who post copious amounts of threads asking "How many A* you need to get into Oxbridge" or about "Oxford is better than Cambridge, FACT"...?
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(Original post by Platocrates)
No, I'm simply suggesting that whilst it is clear fact (to some people at least) that there are a wealth of Black scholars globally, why the hell are none/very few, lecturers/fellows/Profs etc at Oxbridge?
There are relatively few black people in the UK, fewer still at top universities, and fewer still reaching post-graduate posts from there. The overhang of institutional racism plays an element, but it's a very tiny one.

Does black history even feature on the history courses at Oxbridge? If not, why not?
For a start, it does. There's a Special Subject, the most detailed History paper Oxford offers, about Slavery, Emancipation and the Crisis of the Union. It features heavily in any papers on American history, and also in the most modern British history ones.

What makes Norse history any more important?
Chiefly, it's the fact the impact of the Norse on British society massively outweighs that of Blacks. The Norse completely changed British society over arguably its most formative quarter of a millenium; Blacks were a negligble element of the population until the last half century. Even today they are one of a number of ethnic minorities, and not even the biggest among these.

In view of that, I don't think you would struggle greatly to argue with any force Oxford curricula marginalise the black community of this country. I think they are extremely aware of it.
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Umm because he's BLACK!! God can we not ask questions about our history or heritage?

In my 6 months at Oxford I took two African history tutorials, both with white tutors. I saw one black academic in the office, but he was a visiting scholar from Nigeria.

My grandfather has a PhD in Math from Cambridge (1950!) but he has never taught in a UK university. You would think they would have snapped him up but they didn't, he had to go back to Nigeria.

If you want to go to university and see some top scholars of color teaching black history, I'd suggest Stanford, Harvard, or Princeton. You won't find it in the UK, mate.
Actually you're wrong.

Paul Gilroy = Professor at London School of Economics

Robert Beckford = Dr. at Birmingham University.

To name just two...

It's OXBRIDGE I'm concerned about. Yes, there are black scholars, but why not at Oxbridge?

This forum is astounding... Seriously, some of you need to fix up. There was a an artistic world out there before Greece you know?

Widen your reading.
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For a start, it does. There's a Special Subject, the most detailed History paper Oxford offers, about Slavery, Emancipation and the Crisis of the Union. It features heavily in any papers on American history, and also in the most modern British history ones.
Thank you for answering my question.

However, if you read my first post I inferred that anything pertaining to slavery is just *******s...

AS I JUST SAID, THERE WAS HISTORY BEFORE GREECE.

INCREASE YOUR READING...
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