Homosexuality... Why is it a problem?

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If you say so. :rolleyes:
Why's that? Do you think gay pple like HIV/AIDS?!
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my view on homosexuality:

live and let live what people do in the private sphere is their business and no one elses...we boast about living in a democratic society...let's start acting that way...

you know there is the view that people who are grossly intolerant of homosexuals are seen to be insecure in their own sexuality...
bottom line I have no problem with homosexuality as long as it is not forced upon me...and then again it relates to choice...

I am a genius aren't I?? lol
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my view on homosexuality:

live and let live what people do in the private sphere is their business and no one elses...we boast about living in a democratic society...let's start acting that way...

you know there is the view that people who are grossly intolerant of homosexuals are seen to be insecure in their own sexuality...
bottom line I have no problem with homosexuality as long as it is not forced upon me...and then again it relates to choice...

I am a genius aren't I?? lol
Yes, but it is everybodies business if homosexuality is linked to diseases that have to be paid for from public money.

And no. You're not a genius.
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Why's that?
Because you are firing from the hip.
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Sorry, but the whole gay sex thing continues into teh new testament also.
True it's mentioned in the New Testament in some translations - but not by Christ - and not using the commonly used phrases from the time (in fact using a word for which the meaning has been lost)

http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrig...t/hom_bibc.htm
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Yes, but it is everybodies business if homosexuality is linked to diseases that have to be paid for from public money.

And no. You're not a genius.
Being gay doesn't increase your risk - its unsafe sexual practices!
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True it's mentioned in the New Testament in some translations - but not by Christ - and not using the commonly used phrases from the time (in fact using a word for which the meaning has been lost)

http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrig...t/hom_bibc.htm
I aint seen one its not mentioned in.
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Being gay doesn't increase your risk - its unsafe sexual practices!
Oh for crying out loud! Didn't you read the stats above? Being gay means you will indulge in unsafe sexual practices.
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Oh for crying out loud! Didn't you read the stats above? Being gay means you will indulge in unsafe sexual practices.
No it doesn't; being gay does not mean you indulge in unsafe sexual practices. If you indulge in unsafe sexual practices then you're silly.
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No it doesn't; being gay does not mean you indulge in unsafe sexual practices. If you indulge in unsafe sexual practices then you're silly.
Sodomy is an unsafe sexual practice.

Receptive Anal Intercourse causes;

1. Traumatic proctitis
2. Rectal gonorrhea
3. Anal warts
4. HIV/AIDS
5. Nonspecific procitis (from chlamydia and other STDs)
6. Anorectal herpes
7. Anorectal syphilis
8. Hepatitis B
9. Rectal trichomoniasis
10. Lymphogranuloma venereum
11. Anorectal granuloma inguinale
12. Anorectal chancroid
13. Cytomegalovirus
14. Anorectal candidiasis

Pleasev read the stats posted in my earlier post. Prove them to be a complete work of fiction or shut up.
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No it doesn't; being gay does not mean you indulge in unsafe sexual practices. If you indulge in unsafe sexual practices then you're silly.
And read this before you rabbit on about the great lengths the homosexual community are going to to protect themselves;

Unprotected Sex Is Increasing Among Gay Men

Surveys indicate that unprotected anal intercourse among gay men "young and old" is becoming more common in bars, sex clubs and circuit parties and in one-on-one encounters that are often arranged over the Internet. In an era where fewer people are dying from AIDS-related complications due to effective drug combinations; the risk of infection can be reduced by taking "post-exposure prevention" medications; and some HIV-positive men "argue" that they are not "obligat[ed]" to help prevent HIV's spread, public health experts face a "new and perplexing challenge" with "hyper-vigilance ... no longer always an easy sell" (Goode, New York Times, 8/19).

"With Fears Fading, More Gays Spurn Old Preventive Message"

Twenty years after AIDS first emerged in the United States, public health experts are facing new challenges. Too often, the prevention slogans that galvanized gay men in the epidemic's early years now fall on deaf ears. Many gay men continue to take safe sex precautions; many are in long-term, monogamous relationships; but surveys show that an increasing number of gay men are engaging in high-risk behaviors.

Unprotected anal sex ("barebacking"), which carries a high risk of HIV transmission, is becoming more common at sex clubs, circuit parties and in private encounters. In a recent survey by the Stop AIDS Project in San Francisco, the number of men who reported using a condom "every time" during anal sex dropped from 69.6 percent in 1994 to 49.7 percent in 2000. At the same time, public health officials say a number of indicators suggest that after years of stable or declining HIV infection rates among gay men, rates are again on the rise. Some gay men say that where they once received pressure from sex partners to use condoms, they are now pushed to avoid them. "I think the promiscuity of the 1970s is back," said Dr. Virginia Cafaro, a San Francisco HIV specialist.

In the years since the arrival of protease inhibitors, a generation of young gay men has come of age without ever burying a friend or visiting a hospital room. Some gay men argue that with drug therapy prolonging lives, HIV has become just one of many hazards and that unprotected sex is a calculated risk, not unlike others that rational people take every day. Writer Michael Scarce, who penned a controversial 1999 article on unprotected sex for POZ magazine, argues that it is unrealistic to expect gay men to use condoms in every sexual encounter for the rest of their lives. "What we're seeing is a voicing about barebacking," said Dr. Ronald D. Stall, chief of the behavioral intervention research branch of the HIV prevention division at the CDC. "But the larger issue is helping gay men find strategies that are going to allow them to have full sexual lives without transmitting HIV."

8/22/01

Source
Kaiser HIV/AIDS Daily Report. August 19, 2001.
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Anyone who is irresponsible and propagates a diseases that is detremental to the health of all is not in my good books.
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Yes, but it is everybodies business if homosexuality is linked to diseases that have to be paid for from public money.

And no. You're not a genius.
hey Howard...is it only for health reasons why you are so adamantly against homosexuality?? if that were the case then you would have to be against heterosexuality as well...bearing in mind that heterosexuals do practice anal as well as oral sex!!
and guess what??they dont always use a condom!!
how is that for a non-genius!!
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hey Howard...is it only for health reasons why you are so adamantly against homosexuality?? if that were the case then you would have to be against heterosexuality as well...bearing in mind that heterosexuals do practice anal as well as oral sex!!
and guess what??they dont always use a condom!!
how is that for a non-genius!!
I'm not adamantly against homosexuality. I'm not adamanently against most things. This thread is called "Homosexuality......why is it a problem"?

I'm responding by pointing out the serious health consequences associated with homosexuality. Or wouldn't you regard the many diseses I've mentioned and the statistics I've cited as being much of a problem?
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I don't think there should be a problem with homosexuality to be honest. And I really don't get why there is. The bible may tell it's followers now not to commit homosexual acts so they don't but that doesn't mean that some bible bashing (not refering to anyone on the forum) can insult people who may not believe in the bible. I really don't get how people can pick and choose what they believe in the bible. For example there are lots of christians who have sex before marrage (against the bible) but then condem homosexuality because it is said to be wronge in the bible it is just hypocrytical.
I don't think that people HIV should be stopped from getting medical attention because like it or not it is not the same a smokers and cancer. You can have unprotected sex once and have HIV for the rest of your life this unprotected sex may have been with a long term partner who didn't know he/she had HIV. With smokers it take more than one ciggerette and the proposed changes are to stop treatment for people who continue to smoke, It is a different scenareo
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I'm not adamantly against homosexuality. I'm not adamanently against most things. This thread is called "Homosexuality......why is it a problem"?

I'm responding by pointing out the serious health consequences associated with homosexuality. Or wouldn't you regard the many diseses I've mentioned and the statistics I've cited as being much of a problem?
yea the stats do prove that we have a problem...but they are not exclusive to homosexuals...
to be frank homosexuality has been with us since time immemorial and with heightened liberalism we can doubt that the practice will decrease anytime soon...

a useful campaign would be to promote safe sex across all sexual orientations...greater awareness of issues involved in the varied practices...

I do believe that even though the stats are warranted they are not the major foundation on which the issue of homosexual intolerance is based.

I think it is owing to the view that it is:
1 a degradation of society's morale,
2 threat to the view of masculinity and how it is interpreted in a patriarchal society
3 and in a christian based society the biblical view has encouraged this intolerance (even though it is alleged that some catholic priests are willing participants)
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I don't think there should be a problem with homosexuality to be honest. And I really don't get why there is. The bible may tell it's followers now not to commit homosexual acts so they don't but that doesn't mean that some bible bashing (not refering to anyone on the forum) can insult people who may not believe in the bible. I really don't get how people can pick and choose what they believe in the bible. For example there are lots of christians who have sex before marrage (against the bible) but then condem homosexuality because it is said to be wronge in the bible it is just hypocrytical.
I don't think that people HIV should be stopped from getting medical attention because like it or not it is not the same a smokers and cancer. You can have unprotected sex once and have HIV for the rest of your life this unprotected sex may have been with a long term partner who didn't know he/she had HIV. With smokers it take more than one ciggerette and the proposed changes are to stop treatment for people who continue to smoke, It is a different scenareo
Is sex before marriage against the teachings of the bible? Where?
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Is sex before marriage against the teachings of the bible? Where?
Hebrews 13

4Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
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a useful campaign would be to promote safe sex across all sexual orientations...greater awareness of issues involved in the varied practices...
Well how many campaigns can we have exactly? Excuse my crudeness but anybody who is not yet aware that sticking their **** up another guy's backside is a bloody dangerous thing to do must have been living in a cave for the last 20 years.
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Hebrews 13

4Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
That seems to refer to adultery after marriage and not sex before marriage.
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